Typical 'yes' vote lol.
SNP Referendum Nonsense
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Typical 'yes' vote lol.
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Im hoping that when the No vote goes through that this is the end of any more independence nonsense.
It seems destined to fail, thankfully.
It seems destined to fail, thankfully.
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Let's not be complacent or we may get an unexpected result.
Oh. Wow.
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I am still undecided.
Convincing arguments on both sides, but I think the current Tory/Lib Dem love in at Westminster will sway the vote in the yes direction
Convincing arguments on both sides, but I think the current Tory/Lib Dem love in at Westminster will sway the vote in the yes direction
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No, Scottish banknotes aren't the same as English ones for several reasons.
Not calling you out personally on this statement, (I don't know your position on this) but the sentiment made by that statement will be prevalent in a lot of peoples attitude. In other words, somehow you are disloyal or a traitor - just because you have decided to earn a living elsewhere, and probably for good reason.
Just the kind of partisan politics that gets all the jungle drums beating and does nothing but breed animosity.
As a Brit, I think all of this separation nonsense is just political ambition. It's common sense that groups of individuals are stronger when they come together - the same applies to societies and countries, especially tin-pot tiny countries like the UK. On a global scale we don't really have much clout, economic or otherwise, further disseminating that influence is just stupid short term ambition.
However if that's what people choose, then lets not hear any complaints in the next decade when the risks as individuals are less easy to bear.
From what I've seen both for and against, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors and grand promises. That always makes me suspicious.
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the vote is not for the snp, the vote is for the people to be able to chose who runs the country.
I would like the no campaign to outline the advantages of staying in the union in a factual manner, so far all we have is negative comments on what the snp are proposing - it would be better to see the advantages of both laid out but seems there is no interest in the governing party to do that...
I would like the no campaign to outline the advantages of staying in the union in a factual manner, so far all we have is negative comments on what the snp are proposing - it would be better to see the advantages of both laid out but seems there is no interest in the governing party to do that...
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For me, the cost to both the UK and Scotland itself for such a fundamental change would be huge - I don't think anyone really knows how much. Do we really want to spend all of that capital on this now? Can we afford to?
All that keeps coming out of them is what you CAN'T do. Nothing but negativity. That and they're all trying to save their arses because they're out of a job if this is successful.
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We can afford a Maggie Thatcher museum, so why not? 
I was born in Scotland, but live in England. As such, I am ineligible to vote in the referendum, but am automatically entitled to a passport if they achieve independence.
Someone who was born in England, but lives in Scotland, is entitled to vote in the referendum, but not automatically entitled to a Scottish passport.
I am sincerely hoping that the SNP lose the referendum, as I am a staunch unionist. However, if they do win, what passport should I take? I consider myself Scottish, but I have no desire to be part of a state which refused me the right to vote on my nations future. I also resent that an English/Irish/Dutch/ person who lives in Scotland can vote on the issue and still retain their respective nationality. It just seems like a way for the SNP to bolster their numbers.
I'm exactly the same, I am born in Scotland but feel that I am British and above all else a citizen of the planet and enjoy living around the world, currently in the US.
I am also appalled that I can't vote and help prevent such a tragedy and will not support the nation that separates from the union. If the separation was to occur I would have to have long think about passports but I would seriously consider giving up my Scottish nationality.
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The basis of the SNP independence movement is that Scotland is a unique and distinct national entity. But if it is not based upon being Scottish, then what is it based upon? If it is based upon a purely geographic principle, then it is an extremely shallow and arbitrary concept. One that values an Englishman who lives in Scotland above a Scotsman who lives in England. In which case, you might as well just stay in Britain.
It would be simple enough to offer votes to Scots; all they need say is that anyone who can produce a Scottish birth certificate will get a postal vote.
When the negatives are so big, it would be foolish to ignore them. It is difficult to make arguments about what you gain by voting no, because the only way to show the benefits to staying is to show what you lose by leaving - which is inherently negative.
And the idea the MP's will be out on their arses is nonsense. They will stand as Scottish MP's o_O
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that's the major problem, we get scare stories about the cost (and everything else) but no one can say what the actual figure is.
In my mind if the people supporting the union can't outline the advantages for the people of Scotland they shouldn't be surprised if Scotland votes itself out.
I will be voting yes as I would like to have political representative running policies for the country that are voted for by the people of that country, if it doesn't work then that's our own fault and I'm sure there will be things that don't work and need to be addressed as we go along, but the current union system doesn't represent the people of Scotland and as a relatively small population with (seemingly) entirely different political ideals I would like to try something different than the status quo
Downloaded the white paper, fired it on my Kindle and going to give it a read. I'm not expecting it to change my mind but I need to hear their argument. I reckon that if Emperor Salmond gets a yes vote and gets in to power, I will be ashamed of my fellow countrymen for voting yes. Too many of my mates are "I'm a Celtic fan, kid-on religious and am voting no for no other reason than I've been brainwashed in to hating the union/England etc..., and the exact same situation reversed for my Rangers supporting friends. It shows the sorry state of our country that football allegiances are sculpting peoples political views.
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you clearly know some real stupid people
You know what the advantages of staying in the union are. You've been part of it for the whole of your life!