You didn't answer my question. Can you give me an example of what would be sufficient proof?
LIfe After Death
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You didn't answer my question. Can you give me an example of what would be sufficient proof?
Absolutely agree, this is a huge problem. We are stuck in a left brain orientated society, where only logic is utilizted as the fundamental use of intellect. That is the core issue here and science is just the platfrom where these indivuals migrate to.
Sorry what?
The life after death story originated from the first civilizations. Ancient Egyptians buried their gold and pets with the bodies of the dead to keep them company in the afterlife. Sumerians believed they went to some dark underworld etc. They're simply myths that don't deserve any research other than historical.
Are we next going to discuss who is the most powerful lightening god? Is mavity really an invisible elephant holding up the world? Are dinosaur bones really dragons?
Wickfut you have completely missed the point. I am talking about about how we use our minds to understand physical reality, not what the context is as such. Let me explain, from the moment you were born you were educated on how to be a human. You should learn this information & then we will test you on how well you can store that information and then regurgitate it to me on paper. If you don't adhere you will be classed as an uneducated person and potentially considered not an equal in this society.
These people if they are successful they eventually become chief regurgitators and completely trapped in the left brain, which is our doctors, scientists, teachers etc.. And with exception to a few topics it's all academic. It's all using the left brain - and most of this information uses logic reasoning to understand and work out reality. This is not holistic thinking. It creates logical people who can only work out the world through what they see, touch, measure! Hence why we have such separation between people, different societies, different countries beliefs & opinions. As many are indoctrinated into one format of thinking.
Now i am not trying to say logic is bad, it's not! It has created what we have today, the fantastic technologies we have. But it is an issue if it's the sole mechanism used to figure out physical reality.
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Maybe the gods that create souls have been refining the process and have recently had a major breakthrough in manufacturing techniques, enabling them to greatly ramp up production. Hey, that would explain all modern problems - rather than the artisan-created bespoke souls of the past, modern souls are mass produced on the cheap in factories!
Makes perfect sense.
If humans really were entirely logical, there would be a great deal less seperation between people, societies, etc, and hardly any conflict. Your argument contradicts itself.
Also, the "left brain, right brain" split isn't true. The reality is more complicated. For example:
http://www.livescience.com/39373-left-brain-right-brain-myth.html
I've always wondered the same thing.
A fair few problems arise once you move into the arena of reincarnation - also that people don't die at the same rate as being born over history (leaving further interesting problems).
Saved me posting pretty much the same thing.
Here is a video on the very subject which also addresses it.
Regarding the subject at hand.
As no evidence exists regarding what happens after death, none of the literally countless interpretations as to what occurs after death are even remotely supported by what we've observed - I'm happy to say I don't know myself, but if I had to wager I'd go by a number of assumptions based off observed trends regarding brain damage & loss of cognitive function based upon injury (with the premise that total injury results in total brain death & loss of the person).
To explain the human condition we don't current need the concept of a soul to put together a framework to understand what it is to be human, as nothing additional is added by including this element I'd argue it's not worth including (occam's razor) - more-so as we have no third party verifiable evidence to think it's the case.
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But this is the whole point of science surely?
You don't just let any old nonsense gain a foothold without the most stringent and rigorous test rules, why do you think physicists test things to sigma levels?
If we let the guard down you end up with people Uri Gellar conning half the world and making a fortune from rubbing a spoon, and idiots who think the body weighs 21 grams less after death when the soul has departed..
If somebody makes fantastic claims, they should be made to demonstrate that their claims hold substance, no excuses.
Hello Anglion, Where does my comment contradict itself? Logical train of thought breaks down, compartmentalizes, separates thing's so our brain can understand once piece at a time. This is how logic has an enormous effect on how our brain decodes our reality. This then creates certain behaviors to come into fruition from our selves. The type of thinking we use to understand each other naturally, will have a byproduct which is expressed with positive & negative elements. You need to have whole brain thinking to be balanced and not have a person focused solely in particular areas of understanding.
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V-Spec, can you not see that you are still functioning on one aspect of your brains potential. Think of those synapses firing inside the meat of that brain. You are only activating the same part of the brain each time. You cannot lorok and use the full offering of your minds capabilities if we are still utilize one form of understanding.
What do you know about brains?
Bit of a poor response when you're involved in a debate.
There are many examples of evidence which supports how logical train of thought hamper intelligence in some way. Such as Savant Syndrome, people who have this condition seem to posses incredible ways of intellect using their thought process in a totally different way to the average individual.
Google Orlando Serrell & Stephen Wiltshire, two excellent examples of what this potential could be locked up in every Human Being. We have locked ourselves in one way of thought which has stopped the full potential of the brain.
Yes this is a valid concern i agree entirely. However the conditions of measuring or learning about X phenomena shouldn't preclude the possibiility of the phenomena existing at all.
Still waiting on Zethor to state the fail/success conditions for his claim. If this isnt substantiated then its just dogma (but certainly allows him a get out for anything which might be seen as "proof") Is it the case there is no hypothetical situation even that would prove it? Hard to get a handle on what someone means when they are vague on the particulars of their claim...e.g. if a disembodied voice of a long dead relative suddenly starts speaking to a group of people telling them of the afterlife and private details of each person (that only that family member knew) would that constitute PROOF? Sufficient enough for Zethor??? I dunno as i didnt make the claim so i have no idea what he would accept as proof and what other people would accept as proof. Also would it need to be published by a respected scientist? Which journals are accepted by him as reliable etc etc etc etc.....
If you dont even define the conditions for claiming something then it is just meaningless twaddle... *shrug*
Maggots need to eat as well
But yes, your brain ceases to function and your personality, which makes you who you are, simply stops being what it is. Without those 86 odd billion neurons working away, you don't exist any more.
It's a tough life.
Same goes for people who want clones of themselves to do funky stuff with (!) - No, those clones won't think or act like you. They will have different electrical impulses in the brain that make them unique in behaviour - even if they look the same on the outside.
It would need to be replicable under controlled conditions - all data regarding the incident would need to be taken so it could be independently verified.
Any potential for somebody to cheat & lie would need to be removed - along with repeated to ensure it wasn't a one off fluke/the Forer effect.
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Its been proven that the brain does not die instantly if severed from the body. The brain dies from lack of Oxygen/Blood being pumped to it. But straight after the body's death, the brain still has energy within it.. enough that studies have shown in mice causes huge amounts of activity in its final moments. This has also been linked to near death experiences and people seeing the light. People have been revived from the inches of death after minutes of the brain not/barely being fed any juice and recovered with no known brain impairment.
So on that basis, and treating the brain like computer hardware with a short battery life and eliminating things like pain receptors just for this theory.. if you could do it quick and precise enough, why could you not disconnect a brain and plug it straight into a machine feeding it Oxygen and Blood?
If you could do the operation smooth enough and everything got connected correctly, then could the brain not recover like it would if the body had died and been revived?
So on that basis, and treating the brain like computer hardware with a short battery life and eliminating things like pain receptors just for this theory.. if you could do it quick and precise enough, why could you not disconnect a brain and plug it straight into a machine feeding it Oxygen and Blood?
If you could do the operation smooth enough and everything got connected correctly, then could the brain not recover like it would if the body had died and been revived?
There is no life after death!!!! BUT!!!
Energy cannot be destroyed ! So where does the energy the brain
produces go after death?
I am not talking worm food body stuff, I am talking the energy that makes you think and be!
I am not religious in anyway whatsoever!!
Just my 2p!
Your rotting corpse just helps the ground push up the daisies, there's your energy.
Every cell in your body produces / uses energy.
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Interesting video WickFut.
Not sure how much of it I'm believing, what with it being a Soviet video ha!
Interesting bit was the dogs head reacting to things like sound and licking its nose. The rest just seems to be blowing up a paper bag etc.
More interested to know whether they are actual brain responses to sounds and an 'intelligence' responding to them.. or if its just a muscle memory thing.. which is more what It looks like there.
Not sure how much of it I'm believing, what with it being a Soviet video ha!
Interesting bit was the dogs head reacting to things like sound and licking its nose. The rest just seems to be blowing up a paper bag etc.
More interested to know whether they are actual brain responses to sounds and an 'intelligence' responding to them.. or if its just a muscle memory thing.. which is more what It looks like there.