Keyless entry

It keeps running even if it stops being able to detect the key, otherwise if someone threw the key out the window on the motorway you would loose power.

This does lead to the only 'problem', which is that you could drop someone off and drive home, only to then realise that the other person has the key. You'd have to be pretty thick to do this though as it bongs the moment it can't find the key anymore
 
Jez said:
This thread is ridiculous :D
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Why is it? OP was given some erroneous information by a dealer about keyless entry, and wanted to clarify. What's wrong with that?

DiG said:
It keeps running even if it stops being able to detect the key, otherwise if someone threw the key out the window on the motorway you would loose power.

This does lead to the only 'problem', which is that you could drop someone off and drive home, only to then realise that the other person has the key. You'd have to be pretty thick to do this though as it bongs the moment it can't find the key anymore
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I think someone posted about this happening on the GT86 forums - someone dropped them off somewhere while they still had the key in their bag/pocket, then drove home.

Not sure how the Lexus system works, but with the Toyota, you also can't lock a key inside the car while the ignition is off.
 
86JR said:
I was at the Lexus dealership just the other day and the salesman told me I could walk out to the forecourt and get into any of the cars because the keys are stored within 25 feet of the cars. I asked him why so far and he just shrugged...
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Car salesman not knowing arse from elbow shocker!
 
86JR said:
I was at the Lexus dealership just the other day and the salesman told me I could walk out to the forecourt and get into any of the cars because the keys are stored within 25 feet of the cars. I asked him why so far and he just shrugged...
This is great and all but what stops someone getting into my car when it is parked outside my house?

Now on the owners club some people have said if the engine is running someone else can get in without the key and drive it away and it never shuts down until it runs out of fuel.
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I would never buy a car from a person who obviously doesn't have a clue about cars. I'd ring them up and grass him, or her, up to the manager and tell them that they've just lost a sale because of that and see what happens...
 
86JR said:
Owners experiences:
http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic/56616-lexus-smart-entry/
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the consensus there seems to be along these lines though:

If you lock/unlock from the fob, the lights flash. Keyless entry only unlocks the doors when you grab the handle, but the door mirror lights come on as you approach.

If you unlock the car, but don't open the door, it locks itself after a about a minute.
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and that the boot incident was most likely due to it not being closed properly
 
The comfort access on the last car I drove with it - a Cadillac ATS - would only open the door if the key was very close to it. It took me 2 weeks to realise this and 2 weeks of laughing at the girlfriends inability to open the passenger door after pressing the comfort access button. Each time I'd press it on the drivers door, it'd open, but she wouldn't be able to open hers. Each time I'd walk around and it opened first time.

Turned out its because the key was in my pocket :D
 
86JR said:
Owners experiences:
http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic/56616-lexus-smart-entry/
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From personal experience I'd go with user error rather than a design fault with keyless entry. It's more likely the owner sat on their keys in the house and either the car unlocked or the boot opened. I've done it with my car. Sat down at home with my keys pressed up against my phone in my pocket. Fast forward to my wife coming home after me and asking why I had left all of the windows open on my car.

Our mini has keyless entry, you need to be within about a foot of the doors to open them. Once started however you can drive off without the key.
 
So if the lights come on within a big range won't the battery go flat overnight as they will always be on?

My car is literally about 10 feet from my front door, and my keys are around my front door due to having to let my dog out a lot. (Front door stays locked though, and CCTV inside).
 
[TW]Fox;25503409 said:
The comfort access on the last car I drove with it - a Cadillac ATS - would only open the door if the key was very close to it. It took me 2 weeks to realise this and 2 weeks of laughing at the girlfriends inability to open the passenger door after pressing the comfort access button. Each time I'd press it on the drivers door, it'd open, but she wouldn't be able to open hers. Each time I'd walk around and it opened first time.

Turned out its because the key was in my pocket :D
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:D

The focus I have at the moment has keyless entry/start and I discovered today that if you leave the car running and get out to move your bins, it bleeps like **** :eek:
 
The BMW keyless entry system displays a warning message on the display if the key is moved outside the car whilst it's running.
 
On my Focus I have to be within a metre of the correct part of the car I am trying to open. The key then has to be detected inside the car to start it. I am not sure on driving it away without the key, but I do know if I leave the car when the engine is running it starts beeping away.
 
[TW]Fox;25503409 said:
The comfort access on the last car I drove with it - a Cadillac ATS - would only open the door if the key was very close to it. It took me 2 weeks to realise this and 2 weeks of laughing at the girlfriends inability to open the passenger door after pressing the comfort access button. Each time I'd press it on the drivers door, it'd open, but she wouldn't be able to open hers. Each time I'd walk around and it opened first time.

Turned out its because the key was in my pocket :D
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Comfort access? What a **** name for keyless entry :D
 
[TW]Fox;25504766 said:
'Keyless Entry' is simply remote locking - ie, you don't need to put a key in a lock to unlock the door.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_keyless_system

This thread is really about comfort access style systems ;)
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I'm fully aware what we are talking about, I have it on my car. I was saying it is a **** name, what's comfort got anything to do with anything when not having to use a key nor pressing a button on a fob.

The old fob opening system used to be called remote central locking and then keyless entry used to mean you didn't need to use the fob. Until now I hadn't even heard of comfort access :o
 
Comfort access is simply BMW name for the feature. It's keyless as you don't need to interact with the key to enter the car...

Most are prompted by the pulling of the door handle and are quick enough to unlock the system before you have pulled the handle. A fulyl active system monitoring for the key would hurt battery life significantly! Dead battery after 3 days isn't really 'comfortable' there's no way the Lexus cars actually detect at that range.
 
Is there a way to disable it so you just zap it like any normal system to unlock your doors, and they won't unlock at all even if the key is next to the door handle?
 
86JR said:
So if the lights come on within a big range won't the battery go flat overnight as they will always be on?
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No, pretty-much any modern car with remote central locking will turn the lights off after a short time.

Rather than trying to figure out how to disable it, wouldn't it make more sense to actually try it first and see how the system actually works?
 
I don't have time for a while. Hell I haven't even been Xmas shopping yet!

The car I am looking at is the GS450h depending on maintanence and tax prices. Car seems too good to be true, only bad thing is it is no looker but then I quite like anonymity.
 
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