Why should we accept and accommodate people being fat?

Leprechaun312 said:
Bear-mode haha, seems like you have some class mates too :D
yeah, having people who are there to support you helps, at least you made the realization and decided to make a change. I'm sure the first couple of weeks of changing diet, exercising...etc were absolute hell to the point of wanting to just go "AAAh **** it, i want a McDonalds"

4 years, that is impressive to have such self control, and hey there is nothing wrong with the odd wee treat, and as you have said, you've had your treat now back to normal
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The thing was I managed to get my head around the fact that I needed to change HOW I saw food... rather than be on a diet I had to change how I ate normally all the time. I used food as a comfort thing, it make me feel good when I was down. Now I go for a bike ride or gym if I feel down and work up a sweat, it does the same thing for my mind now.... but it was a hard thing to change the habit of so many years!
 
Leprechaun312 said:
but being a wheelchair is punishment enough don't you think?
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Nothing to do with punishment, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in his logic that person A making a choice (to ride a motorbike) with results in injury isn't that different to person B making a choice (to eat lots of food) which results in poor health (obesity) - in reference to denying obese people medical treatment or forcing them to pay for care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think poor health should be encouraged & 'accepted as being fine' not at all - but the vile & hostile attitudes towards the people needs be dispensed of, these people require assistance & support to make the changes they need to to live healthy lives.
 
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elmarko said:
Choosing to ride a dangerous vehicle with a much higher statistical chance of an accident/serious injury was his choice.
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Yes, but where are you going to draw the line?

Driving a car without an airbag is a personal choice.
Flying a dodgy cheap Middle Eastern airline is a personal choice.
Crossing the road at a red man is a personal choice.
Playing rugby is a personal choice.

These things MAY cause accidents. It is not guaranteed.

Being a ***ing lardbucket and chowing worm-meat every day definitely WILL get you fat.

If you eat a lot, you expect to get fat. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

If you smoke a lot, you expect to get ill. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

If you put your hand in the fire, you expect to get burned. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

These things are inevitable consequences. You cannot say the same about riding a motorcycle.
 
elmarko said:
Choosing to ride a dangerous vehicle with a much higher statistical chance of an accident/serious injury was his choice.

The problem with this debate is it's full to the brim of reductionists who lack either the ability or the inclination to appreciate the vast complexity of the issue at hand.
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2.65% chance of being in a motorbike accident and being injured (about 0.7% for serious injuries), 100% chance of being fat if you consistently over eat.

Lysander said:
Yes, but where are you going to draw the line?

Driving a car without an airbag is a personal choice.
Flying a dodgy cheap Middle Eastern airline is a personal choice.
Crossing the road at a red man is a personal choice.
Playing rugby is a personal choice.

These things MAY cause accidents. It is not guaranteed.

Being a ***ing lardbucket and chowing worm-meat every day definitely WILL get you fat.

If you eat a lot, you expect to get fat. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

If you smoke a lot, you expect to get ill. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

If you put your hand in the fire, you expect to get burned. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

These things are inevitable consequences. You cannot say the same about riding a motorcycle.
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Yeah, this.
 
Being very overweight is a problem and can be very dangerous. it's definitely unhealthy and we know this. Does this mean we should despise the people who are dangerously overweight? Probably not to be honest. Purely because we shouldn't really despise anyone in an ideal world.

I agree people should be more encouraged to lose weight because it's beneficial to them. Not just for physical but also mental health. But how is resenting them going to achieve anything in this context? It's just not nice.
 
elmarko said:
Nothing to do with punishment, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in his logic that person A making a choice (to ride a motorbike) with results in injury isn't that different to person B making a choice (to eat lots of food) which results in poor health (obesity) - in reference to denying obese people medical treatment or forcing them to pay for care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think poor health should be encouraged & 'accepted as being fine' not at all - but the vile & hostile attitudes towards the people needs be dispensed of, these people require assistance & support to make the changes they need to to live healthy lives.
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its not entirely the same, one choice can be reversed, the other can't. one choice is done and dusted in a matter of seconds, to become obese it takes years of eating to get yourself to that point, you have all the time you need to change whereas if you make one stupid decision to ride you bike too fast, there isnt a lot of time to change that decision, with eating you can have one big meal and then have salad the next day
 
elmarko said:
Choosing to ride a dangerous vehicle with a much higher statistical chance of an accident/serious injury was his choice.

The problem with this debate is it's full to the brim of reductionists who lack either the ability or the inclination to appreciate the vast complexity of the issue at hand.
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You clearly have not got the point at all.
Fat people don't go into a restaurant and accidental fall into food and come out massive.
There is a very big difference between a choice resulting in an accident, and a choice resulting in a lifestyle.
I would say that the debate is full to the brim of people blowing it out of hand and making it seem more complicated than it actually is.

I despise fat people, can't stand them. However the debate should not be whether fat is good or bad, that is obvious (and for the retarded it's "bad") The debate should be whose to blame.
I despise obese people, I will however agree that it is not entirely their fault. In this day and age with Supermarkets being the way they are and the content of food being the price it is, it is no wonder people get addicted to food.
 
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I think it's just something we need to accept and accomodate. Its obviously down to a change in lifestyle (and possibly) environment.

We are accomodating disabled people (rightly) by adding ramps and special lifts indoor and outdoors. So why shouldn't we adapt other parts of life to suit "fat people"? At the end of the day, itll just mean things get bigger, which for thinner people is great too (as you get more space).

We should feel were suprerior just because we are 'smaller/slimmer/healthier' than they are. though we can reap the benifits of things design/adapted for people bigger.

Health-care is another issue, which i won't talk about.. :)
 
Lysander said:
Yes, but where are you going to draw the line?

Driving a car without an airbag is a personal choice.
Flying a dodgy cheap Middle Eastern airline is a personal choice.
Crossing the road at a red man is a personal choice.
Playing rugby is a personal choice.

These things MAY cause accidents. It is not guaranteed.

Being a ***ing lardbucket and chowing worm-meat every day definitely WILL get you fat.

If you eat a lot, you expect to get fat. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

If you smoke a lot, you expect to get ill. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

If you put your hand in the fire, you expect to get burned. It is either accepted or willfully ignored.

These things are inevitable consequences. You cannot say the same about riding a motorcycle.
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You simply provide medical treatment to people based on need, that's where you draw the line. This is how civilised people think & act.

If behaviour should be discouraged due to the negative consequences though support & assistance is another subject entirely.

ChroniC said:
You clearly have not got the point at all.
Fat people don't go into a restaurant and accidental fall into food and come out massive.
There is a very big difference between a choice resulting in an accident, and a choice resulting in a lifestyle.
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With the deepest respects you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Doomedspeed said:
At the end of the day, itll just mean things get bigger, which for thinner people is great too (as you get more space).
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Seats get bigger, less people can fit on/in the train/plane/cinema, tickets suddenly cost twice as much for everyone. If I wanted to pay twice as much for a bigger seat I would go business/first class.

elmarko said:
You simply provide medical treatment to people based on need, that's where you draw the line. This is how civilised people think & act.
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I don't think anybody is saying otherwise. Of course medical treatment should be provided to everyone regardless of why they need it. However often the treatment for larger people is 'lose weight'.

It's not an insult, it's not discrimination.
 
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Lysander said:
Being a ***ing lardbucket and chowing worm-meat every day definitely WILL get you fat.
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You seem to be assuming all fat people eat pizza for breakfast and then down 2 litres of coke lmao.



It's possible to put on weight by eating 1 piece of toast over your TDEE each day. In 5 years you'd be 15-20 lbs overweight (based upon an estimate, i saw the numbers and it was shocking once, but i don't have them to hand).

1 single piece of toast, with nothing on it, extra per day above your calorie requirements.

Now remember overweight can mean anything from 10 lbs to 200 lbs (well anything above that aswell... but for the mainstream overweight people they'll be in this reigion) over your healthy weight. People who are on the higher end have probably been putting it on for more than 5 years, more than 10 or 15, you could see someone in their 30s who've been fat pretty much their whole lives.

Yes most obese people probably do eat way too much and the wrong thing. But someone who make a small change for the worse can over time have massive repercussions, this could just involve eating 1 packet of crisps every day.

But what does it matter, everyone in this thread is 'hurr durr motorcylces bla bla kill fatties lolz!'.

Using a computer has the risk of RSI, why should we pay for your treatment?
 
Have any of you guys watched Secret Eaters? After watching that program, I will never accept that fat people are "genetically" that way.

Its greed pure and simple with a dose of lazy attitude towards exercise.....I have little or no sympathy for a fat person, especially as someone who takes my personal fitness very seriously.

Bullying a fat person isnt on....but then bullying someone full stop is wrong.....but giving off the message to fat people that fat is beautifu,l or a state of body that is ok is dangerous.

The western world is contstantly evolving to make our lives forever easier and thus make us lazier......with junk food far, far cheaper than healthier alternatives.

People now just sit on their backsides watching TV, munching on junk and the thought of getting out and doing some exercise or hitting the gym is something that makes them squirm....UK is following the US to become a country full of lard arses.
 
maccapacca said:
There's a guy sitting next to me who's in a wheelchair from a motorbike accident, no one else involved it was all his fault, why should I accomodate the changes in the office, it's disgusting.
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I doubt he intentionally crashed and I also doubt he could take action to remove his need for a wheel chair.

Fatties intentionally eat. They can take actions to stop being fat.
 
elmarko said:
You simply provide medical treatment to people based on need, that's where you draw the line. This is how civilised people think & act.

If behaviour should be discouraged due to the negative consequences though support & assistance is another subject entirely.

With the deepest respects you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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Neither do you so we shall agree to disagree.
 
Joshct said:
You seem to be assuming all fat people eat pizza for breakfast and then down 2 litres of coke lmao.



It's possible to put on weight by eating 1 piece of toast over your TDEE each day. In 5 years you'd be 15-20 lbs overweight (based upon an estimate, i saw the numbers and it was shocking once, but i don't have them to hand).

1 single piece of toast, with nothing on it, extra per day above your calorie requirements.
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Splitting hairs. I see what you're saying, but in reality most people eating one piece of toast over their TDEE will also eat one piece under it on certain days and things level out within the window of a few pounds. Some days I will eat over, some under based on what is happening that day. That is what happens in the real world.

The fact is that the large [no pun intended] majority of people who are obese or overweight do it by eating poorly which is a choice they have made regardless of what else is happening in their lives.
 
ChroniC said:
You clearly have not got the point at all.
Fat people don't go into a restaurant and accidental fall into food and come out massive.
There is a very big difference between a choice resulting in an accident, and a choice resulting in a lifestyle.
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He used to be thin until he had a nasty accident with a dessert trolley...
 
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