Why should we accept and accommodate people being fat?

[elmarko]

The genetic issues are small, and is the exception that makes the rule.

Generally people are not educated on eating, and also are generally lazier than they used to be, meaning that they don't watch what they eat, don't exercise, and as such end up where they are now.

To get where they are though probably covers a huge amount of elements. Sure, there will be a minority who have genuine genetic issues, however, mental issues (such as depression) is likely to be a cause, and also other mitigating circumstances. However, in general it is down to laziness, poor education and self inflicted.

Do you believe that laziness can be learned during childhood?, or that the elements which are self-inflicted may be the results of other experiences (such as a reduced ability at temporal discounting which has already been proven to a have a relationship with obesity due to again, early experiences)?.

If you can make that leap, then the game is rigged - the match is fixed, we don't pick our childhoods - neither do we choose to have (or lack) the fortitude required to make better choices or strive to do better from our experiences.

Also, you mention the genetic influences are small - do you have any data to backup this assertion?, as that's quite a strong statement on the subject which I've yet to see the evidence towards (assuming by genetic you include behavioural predispositions, not just metabolic related)

I don't like calling people "fat" in a degrading manner, but a the same time it shouldn't be considered offensive. I think being a decent human being you can call person overweight or large - but if you were being a bit more curt "fat" is the truth. However, you have to bear in mind some a lot of "fat" people aren't generally happy with how they are and are stuck in a rut - so I can see why this is effectively "bullying" them.

Can you give me an example as to when you would need to call somebody fat for any reason other than trying to cause offence?.

I mean, if you want to suggest they diet then I agree - that should be done (if it's out of concern for health), but calling somebody fat is more likely going to exasperate the depression which in turn results in more over-eating - it's perfectly possible to suggest a person exercises without calling them fat.

I agree that we should be encouraging weight loss, but we also need to take a more rational & honest look at why people are lazy, unwilling to exercise & the reasons (not excuses) behind them.

I'm taking about understanding the causal links with the intention of solving the problem.

Often the most obvious reason is the correct reason. Don't try and tart it up to being a more complex issue. A lot of people are fat because they are lazy. End of.

I'm sorry the issue is more complicated than you can understand.

Absolutely. Why sugar-coat it? Some people are ugly and thick.

You can't 'believe' in something that already exists. But that's off-topic.

Just lol.

 

[koolpc]

I would not bother till after Xmas.

Dieting is hard because you should never diet, it is a temporary solution. You should permanently change your eating habits.

I agree and this is what I have been trying to do for a year now.

 

[Podmonkey]

why should we accept or accommodate fat people?

Because when the zombie apocalypse begins, we will need something slow and filling to keep them busy whilst the rest of us makes our escape.

 

[Lysander]

Because when the zombie apocalypse begins, we will need something slow and filling to keep them busy whilst the rest of us makes our escape.

Or they get infected and turn into boomers.

 

[nick.lidgett]

Eat less. Move more.

 

[Joshct]

Or they get infected and turn into boomers.

Boomers are easy, wear goggles and be ready to punch lots.

Sorted.

Besides, if EVERYONE was fat, they'd all be boomers, and boomers do sweet F all apart from call normals to you... soo...

Everyone should be fat if anyone wants to survive the zombie apocalypse.

 

[Dis86]

I'm sorry the issue is more complicated than you can understand.

I'm sorry you feel the need to over-analyse every situation and cannot find solace in the fact that simple logical answers are often the best.

I do love your endearing belief however that people cannot possibly just be responsible for their own actions. There must be social/economic/psycholigical/physiological reasons for them. It must truly be a fantastic experience to view a world where every one is a paragon of virtue who fights the good fight against overwhelming outside odds!

 

[unp|dissy]

Train hard, eat like a fat man.

Best of both worlds

 

[elmarko]

I'm sorry you feel the need to over-analyse every situation and cannot find solace in the fact that simple logical answers are often the best.

I do love your endearing belief however that people cannot possibly just be responsible for their own actions. There must be social/economic/psycholigical/physiological reasons for them. It must truly be a fantastic experience to view a world where every one is a paragon of virtue who fights the good fight against overwhelming outside odds!

You are aware of the hundreds of study's on this very subject?. Is science & study only valid when it fits your existing prejudices?.

It's not a case of being a paragon of virtue, it's simply a recognition of reality. I'd hardly call ignoring all of our species findings on human behaviour/biology logical when discussing human behaviour/biology.

 

[Freefaller]

Do you believe that laziness can be learned during childhood?, or that the elements which are self-inflicted may be the results of other experiences (such as a reduced ability at temporal discounting which has already been proven to a have a relationship with obesity due to again, early experiences)?.

If you can make that leap, then the game is rigged - the match is fixed, we don't pick our childhoods - neither do we choose to have (or lack) the fortitude required to make better choices or strive to do better from our experiences)

I think the parents have an influence yes, I don't think people are born lazy, just like they are not born evil, they are influenced on what environment they are surrounded by, if they are not encouraged to eat healthy or exercise, or brought up to eat poor quality food it'll just become in their nature.

Other than some congenital conditions or issues which causes hormonal/biological issues during birth of growing up, this is the case, of course disease and illness is always the exception to the rule.

Can you give me an example as to when you would need to call somebody fat for any reason other than trying to cause offence?.

If you're not talking to them directly and talking about someone, say giving a description. I think people don't mean to be offensive on purpose, but it's like calling a black person black - my black friends *hate* the world "ethnic" or even worse "coloured". So it's just a descriptor - I personally think fat has been overly associated as a negative thing, but is that such a bad thing? If people are stigmatised by being called fat, it might help them pull their finger out.

Conversely, of course, it may make them even more reclusive and get worse. It's the way language has moderated and changed that changes the impact of it in my opinion.

I mean, if you want to suggest they diet then I agree - that should be done (if it's out of concern for health), but calling somebody fat is more likely going to exasperate the depression which in turn results in more over-eating).

I don't disagree - in fact I said the same thing just above. I think what a lot of people are pointing out though, are those that are fat and don't think it's a bad thing, and yet don't like being called fat. If you want to be fat and happy, fine, but don't be offended if someone calls you fat.

I agree that we should be encouraging weight loss, but we also need to take a more rational & honest look at why people are lazy, unwilling to exercise & the reasons (not excuses) behind them.

I'm taking about understanding the causal links with the intention of solving the problem.

Agreed. There are reasons, but there are excuses too.

There's always a root cause - in this case the investigation would be multi faceted: why are you lazy? Why don't you eat well? Why can you not be bothered? Why are you depressed? why don't you want to improve yourself? etc... the questions are pretty numerous.

Ultimately your "happy" hormones, start to decrease as you become obese, and you end up in an ever decreasing circle of negativity as a result. Then you get people who enjoy exercise, good food and generally (not exclusively of course) have more energy and are in a better state of mind.

 

[Dis86]

You are aware of the hundreds of study's on this very subject?. Is science & study only valid when it fits your existing prejudices?.

It's not a case of being a paragon of virtue, it's simply a recognition of reality. I'd hardly call ignoring all of our species findings on human behaviour/biology logical when discussing human behaviour/biology.

It's not an existing predjudice at all. It's based upon personal experience. I was lazy ergo I was fat.
My step-father is lazy ergo my step-father is fat.

Some people will no doubt have complex psychological reasons (or simple ones; for many people eating is the only control they have in their life) but...again I state...some people are just lazy. Thus they are fat.

Please link one of these studys that shows that laziness is mythological and that no person is fat simply because they cannot be bothered to exercise more or stop eating fast-food.

 

[Mr Joshua]

Absolutely. Why sugar-coat it?

That time you came to the boards to ask for someone on here to be witness to your wedding made me feel bad for and pity you.

 

[Homer-Simpson]

Good luck to you,

I know there's some reddit haters amongst OcUK members but if you need inspiration go checkout
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Thank you, I will check them out. I have seen posts in those subreddits before but I will bookmark them and will be posting my transformation as it unfolds.

What a couple of total *****.
Get back on that wagon and good luck.

Join MyFitnessPal as well.

Thank you for the encouragement. I will have a look at MyFitnessPal now

I was lucky and found a good backsteet lifting gym with real men/women not lycra show offs... I got lots of support and help and comments like "don't worry dude we will help... I was biger than you when I started" and so on.

They boost me up by cheering when I come in "yay hes no quitter!" and so on... it really helps.

I have already spoken to a few guys at work, one is close to my size too. We are all going to join up, this will hopefully allow us to encourage and support eachother as there will be times where we will want to quit.

 

[Mr Badger]

There are some genetic/metabolic differences. I have known several people who ate loads, didn't exercise much and stayed thin - in fact they never appeared to put any weight on.

However, if you are one of the "normals" as ever it's down to calories in verses calories out. Yes you can exercise more to increase your output, but a few gym sessions a week aren't going to shave the pounds/kilos/stone off of someone who is overweight and still shovelling in excess calories every day. Getting as job that involves manual labour or at least standing up all day might do though if you just move from bed to car to office chair to sofa every day.

I do think that the amount of sugar in modern processed food is a scandal, not least because people can actually mistake it for being the healthy "low fat" option. But even so, if you have to keep buying bigger trousers then that should send some sort of message that you might want to review what you are eating.

 

[elmarko]

It's not an existing predjudice at all. It's based upon personal experience. I was lazy ergo I was fat.
My step-father is lazy ergo my step-father is fat.

Some people will no doubt have complex psychological reasons (or simple ones; for many people eating is the only control they have in their life) but...again I state...some people are just lazy. Thus they are fat.

Please link one of these studys that shows that laziness is mythological and that no person is fat simply because they cannot be bothered to exercise more or stop eating fast-food.

Lazy is a subjective term used to describe behaviour, what you should be talking about is a lack of motivation, procrastination & the inability to make long term meaningful choices.

Lazy isn't a term used by people to describe human behaviour (because taking into account the complexity of the issue, use of the term is ... well... lazy).

 

[platypus]

I dont think we should accept it, but we should have course accomodate it, and help them to lose weight.

 

[Dis86]

Lazy is a subjective term used to describe behaviour, what you should be talking about is a lack of motivation, procrastination & the inability to make long term meaningful choices.

Lazy isn't a term used by people to describe human behaviour (because taking into account the complexity of the issue, use of the term is ... well... lazy).

The thing is with your statement there you assume people are inherently working towards a goal. Hence no motivation to complete it, delaying it etc. You're not
Considering that there is no goal. Like I said. Laziness

 

[elmarko]

The thing is with your statement there you assume people are inherently working towards a goal. Hence no motivation to complete it, delaying it etc. You're not
Considering that there is no goal. Like I said. Laziness

Part of what I said, if you recall was also regarding self-control (or more specifically a lack of) - or the reasoning behind the lack of enthusiasm.

 

[LOAM]

I don't think many people have a real understanding of what being fat is actually like and just how depressed it can make you. The trouble is, is that food is intrinsically linked to emotional response, you are fat > you comfort eat > you get fatter, its a perpetual cycle that take it from me is incredibly difficult to get out of.

The second question after returning from holiday (after how was the weather) is 99% of the time "how was the food?" we link food to positive emotion so its no wonder people comfort eat. I spent most of my early life obese until one day I woke up with an eating disorder (it wasn't something that happened gradually or if it did I had no awareness of it) that pretty much nearly killed me. My emotional response to food it now so messed up I cant eat in front of people that I don't know really well (i'm 40 and married and this can cause real issues), I don't comfort eat, I comfort starve even to this day.

I put weight on at the drop of a hat, In April 2012 I found myself at 145kg (again) not from eating bad food but from a sedentary office based life style. Just taking up running and virtually no change to my diet had me at 95kg by December 2012 and at that weight I currently remain.

Its easy to point at obese people and be critical, I do it myself because that actual physical requirement to fix it isn't in my opinion that difficult but the mental requirement is massive and not an easy thing to do. I have nothing but sympathy for obese people because its a **** existence!.

 

[pitchfork]

So what you're trying to say is your body is magic? because it doesn't just magic an extra 30kgs of mass out of thin air.

No I'm trying to say my body has an incredibly slow metabolism, to the point where I can't got to what is considered a healthy weight without making myself unwell. My body type is naturally endomorphic which doesn't help.

It's not like I don't look after myself, I eat right, I exercise regularly. If I'm carrying a little extra weight? **** it.