Why should we accept and accommodate people being fat?

Funnily enough, every single person I know as well that's lost weight has done it through eating less food.
To eat less food requires willpower, motivation & self-control.

They lost weight by having these traits - consuming less calories & exercising are actions taken by people who have the mindset able to make those changes (assuming they have no underline disorder related to food intake).

Try looking past the issue at it's most basic level (or at least attempt to understand that reasons exist why the people may not be very good at 'eating less food').
 
Have you considered what effect the exercise may have on a persons mental state?

So you're saying the 2 stone I lost through exercise and nutritional control was actually simply from me being happier rather than from controlling my calorie intake and expenditure?
 
To eat less food requires willpower, motivation & self-control.

They lost weight by having these traits - consuming less calories & exercising are actions taken by people who have the mindset able to make those changes (assuming they have no underline disorder related to food intake).

Try looking past the issue at it's most basic level (or at least attempt to understand that reasons exist why the people may not be very good at 'eating less food').

I don't like to look past these issues. I think it's pandering to weakness and it's not surprising that people find it harder to lose weight if they think it's not their fault.

I've got a terrible relationship with food. But I force myself to keep to a regimen or I'll get horribly fat. It's torture (being hungry sucks), but it's my choice not to get fat.

Could someone explain how steroids can make you gain weight? Does it give you uncontrollable hunger? Surely you would just eat less food to compensate?
 
I don't like to look past these issues. I think it's pandering to weakness and it's not surprising that people find it harder to lose weight if they think it's not their fault.

I've got a terrible relationship with food. But I force myself to keep to a regimen or I'll get horribly fat. It's torture (being hungry sucks), but it's my choice not to get fat.

Could someone explain how steroids can make you gain weight? Does it give you uncontrollable hunger? Surely you would just eat less food to compensate?
Can you explain exactly what you mean by pandering to weakness?.

I mean, do you have a perfect body of a Greek god?, or are you weak & unable to exercise?.

Do you have a fantastic job?, or are you weak & pander to stupidity?.

I'm just trying to find a baseline here & some logical consistency - as from most of the posts I've seen on here from people when they mean "weak willed, lazy" they mean "things which I don't have a problem with" - but ignore the many things they do (which others could berate them if others held them to the same standard).
 
Can you explain exactly what you mean by pandering to weakness?.

I mean, do you have a perfect body of a Greek god?, or are you weak & unable to exercise?.

Do you have a fantastic job?, or are you weak & pander to stupidity?.

I'm just trying to find a baseline here & some logical consistency - as from most of the posts I've seen on here from people when they mean "weak willed, lazy" they mean "things which I don't have a problem with" - but ignore the many things they do (which others could berate them if others held them to the same standard).

I think you know what I mean, but it's standard to argue senselessly so I'll explain.

People hardly ever say "Oh, I'm fat cos I'm greedy and overeat". They come out with crap like "it's medication, it's me ovaries, my husband shagged another woman so I comfort eat". Allowing them this delusion slows their progress.
 
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I have a bit of a gut but am also a pretty decent long distance runner, am I allowed to continue to enjoy the benefits of my country? Some years ago I was 3 stone or so overweight, was that OK? Or do you have to be removing the side of the house to stock up on cheetos fat to not make the grade for all you chubster-haters?
 
I think you know what I mean, but it's standard to argue senselessly so I'll explain.

People hardly ever say "Oh, I'm fat cos I'm greedy and overeat". They come out with crap like "it's medication, it's me ovaries, my husband shagged another woman so I comfort eat". Allowing them this delusion slows their progress.

To address your "trying to find a baseline and some logical consistency" comment. No, you're not. You're an argumentative tit who's obsessed with trying to make me look bad. No doubt you'll report me and my comment will be pulled or you'll **** me off, but I don't care.
I actually don't care how you look to be honest, you may feel as though I'm trying to make you look bad (you do a good enough job of that yourself) but it's actually not the case.

Anyway - back on track, even if a person said "I'm fat because I eat too much" - do you honestly think that's the end of exploring the situation?.

Is this seriously how your mind works?, do you think that perhaps (just maybe) a reason exists as to why the person over-eats. I'm not saying that over-eating doesn't make people fat, of course it does - just that reasons exist as to why they are doing it in the first place.

Is it so hard for you to understand this?, must everything be reduced to comical levels of complexity?.

I'll also note you avoided the question, if you don't have an awesome job - is it because say - you are just thick & lazy? (as if fat people are fat because they are greedy & eat too much) I assume this applies to everything right? - or let me guess.... just things which you don't have a problem controlling?.
 
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I actually don't care how you look to be honest, you may feel as though I'm trying to make you look bad (you do a good enough job of that yourself) but it's actually not the case.

Anyway - back on track, even if a person said "I'm fat because I eat too much" - do you honestly think that's the end of exploring the situation?.

I actually forgot what this topic was about then see it's nothing but about Jennifer Lawrence.

I'll also note you avoided the question, if you don't have an awesome job - is it because say - you are just thick & lazy? (as if fat people are fat because they are greedy & eat too much) I assume this applies to everything right? - or let me guess.... just things which you don't have a problem controlling?.

Look at all the clips of Britain in the 70s/80s/90s. We had manual labour of an industry to keep us thin. Look at all the thin football fans in the stadiums, then look at it now. Most of us are behind computers or help desks. Same difference.
 
I'll also note you avoided the question, if you don't have an awesome job - is it because say - you are just thick & lazy? (as if fat people are fat because they are greedy & eat too much) I assume this applies to everything right? - or let me guess.... just things which you don't have a problem controlling?.

How many people have you made this point to now who have subsequently become very quiet? Most amusing. :D
 
Much like elmarko has ignored requests to substantiate his point that people are fat due to psychological issues?
Perhaps if that was the point I made I would.

I said people are fat for a multitude of different reasons, but hey let's not get a little thing like reality get in the way of a discussion.

Psychological issues can cause people to eat too often which normally will cause obesity. As I've said multiple times - eating too often is a symptom of another behaviour issue (poor self-control, abnormal hunger, sugar addiction, requirement to comfort eat etc).
 
Psychological issues can cause people to eat too often which normally will cause obesity. As I've said multiple times - eating too often is a symptom of another behaviour issue (poor self-control, abnormal hunger, sugar addiction, requirement to comfort eat etc).

Do you not think then that people should seek treatment for the psychological issues which are making them fat?
 
How many people have you made this point to now who have subsequently become very quiet? Most amusing. :D

He made the point to me. I'm an engineer and work in management for an offshore oil and gas company. That answer your question?
 
Perhaps if that was the point I made I would.

I said people are fat for a multitude of different reasons, but hey let's not get a little thing like reality get in the way of a discussion.

Psychological issues can cause people to eat too often which normally will cause obesity. As I've said multiple times - eating too often is a symptom of another behaviour issue (poor self-control, abnormal hunger, sugar addiction, requirement to comfort eat etc).

Chicken or the egg situation surely? I'd wager that abnormal hunger and sugar addiction are directly influenced by eating too much in the first place.
 
Perhaps if that was the point I made I would.

I said people are fat for a multitude of different reasons, but hey let's not get a little thing like reality get in the way of a discussion.

Psychological issues can cause people to eat too often which normally will cause obesity. As I've said multiple times - eating too often is a symptom of another behaviour issue (poor self-control, abnormal hunger, sugar addiction, requirement to comfort eat etc).

Elmarko, you're again missing the point that eating too often is not what makes you fat.
Consuming too much energy and not getting rid of enough of it is what makes you fat.

I eat too often without a doubt, I also eat too much. As I've explained previously this is due to a medical condition whereby I cannot absorb the same levels of nutrients from my food as a healthy person.
As a result I exercise more. Thus my weight is healthy. I'm 6ft tall and weigh 82 Kg. I could be overweight very easily (technically from BMI I am but due to cycling a lot I have very muscular thighs and buns of steel) but by using effort I am not. My diet is certainly not the healthiest, I love crisps and cakes but like every person know that these foods are not good for me and I will be required to burn off the excess energy they provide.

You cannot tell me that the majority of those in this country that are obese, I'm not talking overweight here, don't know that eating too much of the wrong foods will make you fat and you also can't tell me that they don't know getting off their backsides and exercising will help them lose weight.

A prime example of the levels of laziness I was referring to yesterday is available in the area where I live.
I live in a fairly small town in Northumberland. We have 4 middle schools in this town, we're quite well provided for in that respect. Obviously these schools have a catchment area. My partner is a teacher and thus I happen to know what the catchment area is. I know that the school I live less than a minutes walk from has a catchment radius of 100m to the East where it stops because of the sea. It extends 100m to the South because well...there are only fields that way for miles. It extends 1km to the North where it meets the catchment area of another school and 1km to the West where again there are nothing but fields.
Thus I believe we can all agree that there are very few students who will travel more than a km to have to get to school.
On a morning the local roads are gridlocked. We have to have traffic wardens patrolling and directing the traffic. People will not even walk less than a km to drop their children off at school. You could argue it's because they don't feel safe, not the case as there are wide pedestrian paths from all housing developments nearby to this school so they do not run alongside roads. We get less rainfall than the UK average here so weather is typically not an issue either.
What is very evident is those driving the cars are much fatter than the parents who walk their kids to school. The fact is that people, in general, are lazy.

There will be some unfortunate people who do have mental issues which make them eat more (comfort, self hatred etc), or medical issues like Castiel had where he was putting weight on even on a very restricted diet but as mentioned this does not support the increasing levels of obesity prevalent the world over. These issues have always existed and always will exist in about the same levels of a population in terms of %age.
People can make the effort to lose the weight that more sedentiary lifestyles and more easily available foods provide but well...they don't because it takes time and effort. It's not because they were touched by their uncle or the kids made fun of their glasses, it's because they just don't want to get off the couch and move away from the TV. It's because they want to park right outside their front door and not 50m up the road. It's because a pizza can be pulled out of the box, bunged in the over and be ready in 15 mins whereas a good stew takes 30 mins of prep and hours to cook.
It is human nature to want to receive something with the minimum amount of effort required. Infact that is true of all life. Living organisms generally do not expend energy when they do not need to.
 
Maybe people who are a couple of stone overweight don't have any physiological issues and it simply is a case of being lazy, greedy, whatever, but people who are very overweight it's likely something more.

I lost 10 stone, it was a lot of hard work and guess what? I still have massive issues with food and self control, I can quite easily binge on crap seemingly unable to stop myself, the only way I can exercise control over binging on crap is to not have it around me.

I'll likely have issues with food for the rest of my life. A normal person can take a few biscuits out of a packet and put the packet back and be content, not me, the serving size for most food items for me is the packet it comes in, when I was bigger I could easily demolish a couple of tubes of Pringles in 1 night and think nothing of it, when you're addicted to food it's almost uncontrollable.

It's extremely easy to see who has and hasn't had problems with food in the past from reading this thread.

I'm not saying this is for all overweight people but often the weight isn't the problem it's a side effect of the real problem, be it depression or whatever.
 
To all those people posting comments. How many of you drink or smoke? Addiction is addiction. If you or your loved ones have never experienced either then....
 
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To all those people posting comments how many of you drink or smoke? Addiction is addiction. If you or your loved ones have never experienced either then....

And yet smoking is banned in public buildings with considerations of an extension to all public and some private spaces currently present...
Many drugs are outlawed because of their addictiveness.
You'll find alcoholics also are you know...not accepted. For example all oil platforms are dry sites, good luck being an alky on one of those!

These bans are there because the addictions in question are harmful. Just like food addiction.
Should we lift the smoking ban? Should we allow drunks to drive transport or operate machinery? Should people have to be inconvenienced, or have to pay more for a service because this same service has to cater to someone who eats too much and moves too little?
 
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