M&S have dropped a clanger

Next thing you know non-smokers will be able to refuse you cigarettes and vegans will refuse to sell you a block of cheese.
 
http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?ID=750

Not a problem apparently to sell pork and alcohol as an employee in a non-Muslim country.

HOWEVER, the way this story is being spread is undoubtedly unfair. This is not a Muslim-only policy. Christians can refuse ot work on Sundays. M&S have simply said they will allow religious beliefs to affect how their employees work.

I disagree with the policy but even more with the way the press have portrayed it.
 
Glaucus said:
Its not about muslims, its about religion.
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I od dislike how laws have religion in them, they shouldnt. They should all be replaced with belife.
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This is the problem for me. If they really wanted to follow something about a creation story and have some moral values, why don't they follow the idea of an area of infinite density leading to the big bang. Teach about stories of wrong doing and doing right?

Ah, whatever. Humans are the bane of humans I suppose.
 
Can catholic refuse to sell condoms then?

A shop should be 100% neutral - they sell products that their customers want and their staff sell them - simple. At no point should it be a 'personal' experience between what the member of staff deems right or wrong. They are quite simply there to handle the cash that the willing customer is paying to their employer.
 
Don't see anything wrong with it. So whats with all the fuss?

Another opportunity for Non-Muslims to bash Muslim people. Keep up the hard work GD.

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160+ replies and I would be quite happy to bet £50 that no one in this thread or anyone they know has had to wait in M & S for a non Muslim to serve them. People get so anxious about the POTENTIAL issues. I say go for it vote UKIP, they will definitely be able so sort the country out.

The telegraph and mail literally report on drivel and knuckle draggers lap it up espousing they will never shop in M&S again :rolleyes:


Just once it would be nice to report on what actually happens in multicultural Britain. You walk past an Indian restaurant to meet your Spanish friends and discuss a planned trip to Germany. Then you collect a package in the post office served by a girl wearing a headscarf and smiles and says thank you and merry Christmas. Then the Turkish guys in the corner shop sells you a daily mail and you can read the sensational articles over a drink in the local Irish bar. Has anyone infringed my beliefs......not really so why stress.
 
Looking through the islamaphobia all that m&S have really done is allow Christians not to work on Sundays, Jews not to work on Saturdays and Muslims don't have to sell products that go against their belief if they don't want to, thus allowing people of different faiths to be able to work at M&S without discrimination.
 
Dis86 said:
Actually as an additional note regarding alcohol, maybe one of our Muslim members could clear this up for me but am I right in thinking that the Quran only specifically mentions wine. Not alcohol as a whole?
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That question is about language, so it doesn't require a Muslim to answer it. So I'll have a go.

I can't read Arabic, so I am relying on translations and speaking with people who can.

The intended meaning (shown by context) is almost certainly drugs that affect your mind. Wine might be the only form of alcohol mentioned explicitly (I'm curious now - can anyone who reads Arabic clear this point up?) but if it is then it would probably simply be due to wine being the form in which alcohol was drunk in that area at that time. We're used to a wide variety of alcoholic drinks being available, but that wasn't the case in all places at all times.

That leads me to another question - is there a clearly written medicinal exclusion clause? Some medicinal drugs affect your mind, some more strongly than alcohol. Of course most Muslims would interpret their religion to allow a medicinal exclusion clause, but is one actually in the Qu'ran? if not, is there one in the hadith?
 
D.P. said:
Looking through the islamaphobia all that m&S have really done is allow Christians not to work on Sundays, Jews not to work on Saturdays and Muslims don't have to sell products that go against their belief if they don't want to, thus allowing people of different faiths to be able to work at M&S without discrimination.
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What if I was an atheist and I worked at M&S but said I couldn't serve religious people because of my beliefs? Or that I couldn't sell any Christmas items because it is a religious holiday e.t.c

Do you think that should be allowed?
 
Ryan-3 said:
Exactly wndzr! Everyone to their own choice in the end of the day. :)

If someone would like me to balance out all of this 'anti-islam/religion', then I found this was a rather nice article I read earlier. Restored my own faith in humanity.
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Articles like that never get recognized from the non-Muslim people.

Why should it get recognised? People in this country don't like the idea of Muslim people doing well.

Pure evil :rolleyes:
 
That doesn't work though. I don't want a Turkish bloke at my newsagent that doesn't speak English properly and has all his Turkish mates loitering around and speaking other languages. They don't WANT to integrate and so I don't WANT them here.

Not exactly difficult is it. I don't go to turkey and have an English man offering me fish and chips.
 
Jono8 said:
What if I was an atheist and I worked at M&S but said I couldn't serve religious people because of my beliefs? Or that I couldn't sell any Christmas items because it is a religious holiday e.t.c

Do you think that should be allowed?
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So true. You're not allowed to be atheist when dealing with the idiots that believe in religion.
 
D.P. said:
Looking through the islamaphobia all that m&S have really done is allow Christians not to work on Sundays, Jews not to work on Saturdays and Muslims don't have to sell products that go against their belief if they don't want to, thus allowing people of different faiths to be able to work at M&S without discrimination.
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The issue that I am sure everybody here, including myself has with this is that it's an example of religion interfering with something that frankly has never been an issue in the past.

If a Catholic person working on the till refused to serve two gay men and M&S said "It goes against the religious beliefs of our staff" then I would most certainly have something to say about that too.

As I said in my previous posts, the employee is there to take money off the customer and put it in the till. M&S isn't asking the staff to cook the meat and make them a roast dinner.

Sho said:
Why should it get recognised? People in this country don't like the idea of Muslim people doing well.
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Slight generalisation there. Personally I couldn't give a toss about a persons religion, sexuality, race or whatever other 'distinguishing feature' you can think of. What I do think though, is that the vast majority of the population is ignorant and assumes all Muslim people are 'bad' or they should be cautious of them based on the rubbish they see in the news.

Religion is a personal thing and so long as it's kept personal I see no problems with any religion.
 
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