M&S have dropped a clanger

I think that M&S might have screwed themselves here.

Picture the scene. People are clearly going to be upset about this. Anyone who looks remotely like they might be muslim - accepting that you can obviously have white british muslims, lets accept that the 'stereotype' by silly people is anyone who looks remotely middle eastern/not white - is going to get some people questioning 'why are you doing this'.

Some people, will dump their shopping and walk out if this happens, other people might intentionally try to 'bait' the cashiers by buying a trolley full of nothing but pork and alcohol.

I'd imagine this will make the working environment incredibly pleasant for muslim staff once the managers realise the lost custom + spoilage costs of the above, and also the abuse those staff will get from those customers.

I think the reality is, if you take a job and you are disabled the workplace have to make 'reasonable adjustments' to make it work for you. Being muslim isn't a disability, it is a lifestyle choice through religion. If you don't want to sell alcohol and pork, don't work there.
 
I was going to visit M&S today to pick up some things, but I'll head over to Sainsbury's instead. I generally like M&S, but this policy is insane and those workers refusing to serve alcohol or pork should be fired.
 
It really stands out that no-one is mentioning the special dispensations given to the other religions.

M&S aren't just giving Muslims special privileges, they are giving ALL religious people special privileges, it's just that those favours for other religions aren't so obviously seen by the customers.

It's that we should be rallying against, the fact that this favourtism exists at all and that non-believers are being discriminated against.

For those of you who have worked in retail I'm sure you can imagine the scene:

Me - can I have next Saturday off I have 'x' to do
Manager - no way, Saturday is our busiest day, all hands on deck.

Me - I can't work next Sunday this week.
Manager - no-one likes working Sundays but you've got to, we don't have any staff to spare, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John don't work on Sundays so we need you in.

You see the issue? If you don't believe, you have to pick up others slack.

Don't just bash Muslims, be annoyed with the policy effectively being positive discrimination if you believe in a God.
 
Well said, big cheese. It annoys me more that as an atheist I'd get no such treatment. Sadly, though, it's another case where being slightly mad and believing in god gets you out of normal human life.

Seems to have touched a nerve with bitslice. I recommend you move to a country with fewer Muslims.

Thomson, you're saying you WANT inequality?
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Well said, big cheese.
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Thompson_NCL said:
Well Christianity is our state religion, so I can accept a dispensation for that. The rest should not be given any dispensation whatsoever.
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Why? Why should one set of people be given an easier ride than the rest of us?

Why do you think that's OK? Is it because you're Christian? Is it because it's been indoctrinated into you that's just the right way to be?

I don't understand why you think one form of positive discrimination is OK and the other isn't, at least M&S are being fair with it.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Well said, big cheese. It annoys me more that as an atheist I'd get no such treatment. Sadly, though, it's another case where being slightly mad and believing in god gets you out of normal human life.
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Don't worry, when Dawkins dies you can have a no-religious holiday in his honour. I'd be non-praying for a Monday if I was you ;)
 
dirtychinchilla said:
Thomson, you're saying you WANT inequality?
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I have no interest in the pursuit of 'equality' because I consider it be an absurd concept.

We have an established state religion, so I am fine with followers of that religion having some reasonable dispensations, such as not having to work a Sunday and being allowed to wear a crucifix.

Non-Christians should not get any special rules whatsoever.

Why? Why should one set of people be given an easier ride than the rest of us?

Why do you think that's OK? Is it because you're Christian? Is it because it's been indoctrinated into you that's just the right way to be?

I don't understand why you think one form of positive discrimination is OK and the other isn't, at least M&S are being fair with it.
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I am not Christian. And I've explained why, it's the established state religion.
 
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Bit silly to be honest.

Where I live in Malaysia (muslim majority country, for those that don't know) either non-halal is a separate section / checkout but limited usually to meats - muslim cashiers will still handle alcohol.

In the case of my local supermarket - alcohol through the normal checkout and for non halal you take a ticket which you pass the normal cashier so they don't have to touch the pork.
 
Tunney said:
Are you serious?
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Unfortunately he is - his hatred for muslims shows through and through on this forum in most 'muslim'-related threads.

What he seems to forget is that for everything he has listed you will find one or more people taking things to similar if not worse extremes in all the other religions he has mentioned (and ones he has not).

Unfortunately we have a media which panders to the general fear of individuals such as bitslice and the general sheep simply soak it in with a sponge like effect and forget that there's a minority in every group that's screwing up somewhere.

best to just ignore tbh - some people can't see past their hatred with even the most basic of logic, so safe to put them in the 'ignore them' category really. :)
 
Mynight said:
Give them gloves and crack on.
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ilcp said:
Just because you hate them doesn't mean everyone else does (Majority may do, but it is only because of the MEDIA who don't like us.. when was the last time religion got mentioned when a non-muslim committed a crime? Whereas when a muslim does it, his religion gets mentioned and more than likely the words "extremism" too..)

Maybe you can sleep better at night pretending everyone else is like you. Finally you are acting like this is the first muslim who has been hired but refused to serve alcohol
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The problem with Islam is that it wants to dominate you, see you deceased or converted. At the very least you are a second class citizen if you are not one.

Now as a non muslim how can I like or even not dislike that? it wants to upset and replace our way of lives with an abhorrent one based upon Shariah and inequality.

Given that, how could anyone support the religion who was not already a part of it.
 
The Running Man said:
The problem with Islam is that it wants to dominate you, see you deceased or converted. At the very least you are a second class citizen if you are not one.

Now as a non muslim how can I like or even not dislike that? it wants to upset and replace our way of lives with an abhorrent one based upon Shariah and inequality.

Given that, how could anyone support the religion who was not already a part of it.
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BNP/EDL talk - pathetic at best.
 
Really? Is that the best you can come up with?

while Muslims try to reassure them that, no, we don’t want sharia, we are perfectly content with American law and we are fully integrated in society.* Well, time for me to confess.* For religious Muslims, that’s a load of horse hockey.* We want sharia law.* We want Islamic law to be the law of the land, the law of the planet, the law of the universe.* May as well just put it out there.* It’s the truth, and no amount of pandering to non-Muslims will change that fact.
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This isn't an isolated extremist. They literally want to move to our county to absorb our wealth and then build their pwn state with their own laws based on their Islamic beliefs, I nearly said their own beliefs but they can't have any,

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/muslim...ess-we-are-trying-to-take-over-the-world.html
 
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TheBigCheese said:
It really stands out that no-one is mentioning the special dispensations given to the other religions.
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perhaps you've skimmed the thread and missed it then

my objection is that in general... i.e. could a vegan object to handling meat, dairy etc.. or do beliefs/personal ethics have to have an imaginary friend attached before being valid cause for complaint? Could a passionate football fan get Saturdays off in the same way a Jewish person seemingly can? etc...
 
dowie said:
perhaps you've skimmed the thread and missed it then

my objection is that in general... i.e. could a vegan object to handling meat, dairy etc.. or do beliefs/personal ethics have to have an imaginary friend attached before being valid cause for complaint? Could a passionate football fan get Saturdays off in the same way a Jewish person seemingly can? etc...
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Can I refuse to serve halal meat on ethical grounds?
 
Why is most prisons full with white people? Should be full of Muslims right? Get all the Muslims in there :rolleyes:

Typical.. Full of hatred when it comes to bashing Muslims. Did anyone read the actual article?

When a white boy kills a Muslim boy, its a non story. When Muslims raises their voice it become a media meltdown.

Continue with the hatred whites people.

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