M&S have dropped a clanger

Eh?

Which one has the real Heaven then?

Islam says All of them - IF they stick to their original true religions (which can prove tricky bearing in mind all the revisions of scripture and laws etc). Christians say you have to be a Christian to get heaven,
Jews say you have to be a Jew to get heaven.
 
Eh?

Which one has the real Heaven then?

Islam says All of them - IF they stick to their original true religions. Only Christians say you have to be a Christian to get heaven, and only Jews say you have to be a Jew to get heaven.



In the original bible there is no heaven and no hell it was made up by the Greeks when they had their input.

Same as a guy who said there will be virgins waiting for them just made up crap. Just thought do the muslim women get virgin men?
 
In the original bible there is no heaven wouldn't be surprised if this woman's dad or husband told her to protest the serving of alcohol. hell it was made up by the Greeks when they had their input.

Same as a guy who said there will be virgins waiting for them. Just thought do the muslim women get virgin men?

Muslim women don't matter. They just do what they are told. i wouldnt be surprised if her husband or father chided her and told her to protest.
 
And your statement about the old testament 'not really applying' to Christians regarding pork is debatable:

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-diet_unclean_clean_law_Bible
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/C-deception-diet_unclean_clean_New_Testament
Those are Seventh-day Adventist teachings, they go their own way on that. Generally unclean animal/pork restrictions were under Mosaic law, the old covenant binding to Jews before Christ's death. Christians (including Hebrew Christians) are under the new covenant, which has dispensations set out in Acts 15 iirc that are less restrictive on food, still some exceptions things like eating meat sacrificed to idols and stuff like that.
 
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Those are Seventh-day Adventist teachings, they go their own way on that. Generally unclean animal/pork restrictions were under Mosaic law, the old covenant binding to Jews before Christ's death. Christians (including Hebrew Christians) are under the new covenant, which has dispensations set out in Acts 15 iirc that are less restrictive on food, still some exceptions things like eating meat sacrificed to idols and stuff like that.

Acts 15 was about MEN not about FOOD. It's a common justification attempt to over rule the fact pork is prohibited in Christianity. You forgotten Jesus said he had come NOT to change the law? ;)

Its only in the last 1000 years that this was changed with most denominations of christianity. A bit like the Trinity - this wasn't introduced into christianity until much later......

Once people start doing their research they begin to realise how alike Islam, Christianity and judiasim actually are - in effect teaching the same principles, but tainted in different ways by mankind themselves.
 
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Pretty convenient that eh?

"Everything before what I said doesn't count and errr...nor does anything after!"

Obviously not read it then? - as it simply states the same things as the original bible and torahs did..... one major difference though - it has context.
 
Acts 15 was about MEN not about FOOD. It's a common justification attempt to over rule the fact pork is prohibited in Christianity. You forgotten Jesus said he had come NOT to change the law? ;)

Its only in the last 1000 years that this was changed with most denominations of christianity. A bit like the Trinity - this wasn't introduced into christianity until much later......

Once people start doing their research they begin to realise how alike Islam, Christianity and judiasim actually are - in effect teaching the same principles, but tainted in different ways by mankind themselves.

Justification or otherwise, just pointing out most Christian strains follow the supersessionism point of view and are not Torah submissive so don't follow Kosher rules as they believe they are under a different new covenant. As you say, Jesus said he didn't come to change the Law but fulfill it. Ending the old covenant with his death and sacrifice, allowing Christians to live under grace and not under condemnation of Mosaic Law.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah_in_Islam

Because he believed the Quran replaced it, Muhammad did not teach from the Torah and the Quran says very little about it. He did say that Moses was one of the few prophets to receive a revelation directly from God, that is, without an intervening angel. On one occasion, it is recorded that some Jews wanted Muhammad to decide how to deal with their brethren who had committed adultery
 
My biggest problem is with the management at that particular store. If other Muslim employees have sold alcohol without prior issue, then this employee should have been taken to one side and had this clearly explained to them. I would sack them for bringing the company's name into disrepute.

But has explained in this thread a couple of times:
There are at least 15 different readings of the Quran so what is good for one Muslim isn't good for another.
For instance a Christian who follows the Jehova's Witness path might not be able to work behind a butchers counter but a 'normal' Christian would be OK.
 
"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).
 
The examples of the "barbaric" nature of Islam that you've been spouting are examples of the extremists only - the acts you mentioned earlier on in this thread carries out by al qaedi and extremists.
This is just false, the Pakistani government openly supports local militia who then commit exactly the same barbaric acts that you make out only al qaeda do. Pick any Islamic group in Africa and you'll find barbaric acts are commonplace.

Even passing this off as extremism is disingenuous, in every muslim country Christians are killed or intimidated, clearly this isn't extremism, this is the normal attitude of Islam to unbelievers.

It may surprise you that British people find beheading a barbaric act, so not unnaturally we find the Saudi practice of beheading people in the name of Islam, barbaric.

We also find the torture of gay people by the so called religious police, barbaric

You are living in LaLa land if you think you can persuade anybody that this is the religion of peace.

These pests that are a problem to Muslims as much as they are to Britain as whole.
How is something a problem to the british muslims when they go out of their way to avoid commenting on it or doing anything about it? The last survey I saw appeared to indicate that a lot of what you are pretending muslim people are against, that actually they are secretly in favour of. And you wonder why there is a climate of distrust?
you're able to identify when propaganda is being used in the media yet unable to realise that you have fallen into believing everything that you are told about Islam by said resources.
Regardless of spin, every headline listed in #272 is true, although there are so many I forgot to add the one about sex segregation in universities.
you might be shocked how normal these people are
Of course normal muslims are normal, we wouldn't have a problem if we could tell the difference.
The article posted earlier about islamaphobia is bang on and your posts have demonstrated just that. A phobia.
Nobody has a fear of Islam, they are just sick to the back teeth of it, there is a difference.

Pick any country in Europe that has had a recent influx of muslims, every one of those countries will state that they now have a "muslim problem", even Sweden is worried about how to deal with its tripling in rape cases.



Why don't you stop a minute from trying to defend this issue and reflect on why no other group in the past hundred years has been disliked as much as muslims are now.

Consider, is that our fault or is it your fault?


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Muslim leaders slam M&S over 'ridiculous' till policy: Influential figures say workers' veto 'beggars belief' as store apologises over affair


  • Muslim Council of Britain said situation should have been handled better
  • Others said allowing workers not to serve alcohol or pork was ridiculous
Inayat Bunglawala said: 'I have never come across a Muslim.. who would refuse to serve a customer'

Khola Hasan, a legal consultant who has advised the Islamic Sharia Council, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: ‘I was quite dismayed when I heard this news about M&S. I’m just wondering how far till workers can go? Are they there to police what people are buying?

‘Will a till worker refuse to process a cake that has got champagne in it or a chocolate that has got brandy in it?

‘Muslims cannot eat any meat that is not halal, so will they refuse to process chicken or beef or lamb because it’s not halal? I don’t know how far we are going to go. I think it’s ridiculous.’

Miss Hasan said that Islamic law does not prohibit Muslims from selling alcohol in a supermarket.

She added: ‘I think that we have to live together and that includes Muslims. How are we going to live together if we are sitting in a shop saying, “I won’t serve you and I won’t talk to you because you’ve got this in your hands?”.’
Inayat Bunglawala of Muslims4UK said: ‘I have never come across a Muslim in the retail trade who would refuse to serve a customer. If you are working in that trade, I don’t think anyone will hold it against you if you are working at a checkout and passing through cans of drink or packages of pig meat.’
 
Fantastic! It's such a shame that they didn't say all this sooner, before so many people jumped on the I hate Muslims bandwagon.
No one hates muslims you womble :rolleyes:



Quote is misleading, the perpetually cowardly MCB said nothing like that

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2435


"Perhaps the solution should have been to deploy the Muslim employee who objected to serve alcohol or pork on tasks away from till. "

So to avoid the problem, move the employee, not change the policy that submits to sky pixie demands


"Employers should accommodate reasonable requests on the basis of religious beliefs"

Do whatever the sky pixie says or we complain.





Nowhere in this statement does it say that the employees request was unreasonable or nothing to do with Islam.

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