Alan Turing Granted Royal Pardon
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Indeed, and for that matter perhaps everyone ever convicted for anything which is now considered legal should also be pardoned?
Does anyone here feel that Alan Turing does not deserve a pardon ?
Yes there were many other gay men convicted during those times who were not geniuses and did not save countless lives by foreshortening the war due to their incredible work and did not take part in giving birth to the age of modern computing.
But the above to one side my question still stands. Does anyone here believe Alan Turing does not deserve a pardon ? If not why not ?
Yes there were many other gay men convicted during those times who were not geniuses and did not save countless lives by foreshortening the war due to their incredible work and did not take part in giving birth to the age of modern computing.
But the above to one side my question still stands. Does anyone here believe Alan Turing does not deserve a pardon ? If not why not ?
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In which societies has it been acceptable? If we look at judaism, islam, Catholicism etc where morals have come largely through religious tenants the majority will say immoral.
Ancient Greece, ancient China and ancient Rome for starters. Take away the Judeo Christian BS and there really isn't any reason to condemn homosexuality.
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Me.
I said earlier that there should be a statue of him in every major city and his contribution to the war should be talked about in all schools but at that time & place knowing what the law was, he broke the law. Also a pardon doesn't mean you're innocent.
He deserves a pardon if everybody else gets one.
I see. So you are arguing the one rule for all line, without giving any credit for extenuating circumstances. How fallacious of you. You're also elevating law above morality. Persecution of homosexuals is immoral regardless of what the law says. The evolving moral zeitgeist is what forces changes in archaic laws and just because our modern laws have caught up with our modern morality, does not mean that laws from previous times were right and should be abided by or respected. In Uganda today, you can be imprisoned for homosexuality. Does that make the Ugandan law makers right ? Of course not. Should Ugandan laws on this be obeyed or challenged ? They should be challenged because they are wrong.
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I'm a Muslim.
I assure that this news does not effect me in the slightest.
I am not happy or sad.
You may think that all Muslims spend hours discussing and getting angry about homosexuality, but I assure you that this is not the case.
Some of us have better things to do.
Oh and for the record, I have no idea why he has been pardoned, after he has been dead for decades.
Perhaps this is a publicity stunt...not sure.
what extenuating circumstance?
if you're arguing for how great he was tbh that's not the best in relation to this, after all iirc he got in trouble for bringing rent boys to secure locations, and lots of other things beyond simply being gay unlike many others who were simply in trouble for being with who they loved.
He got in trouble for shagging a bloke. Not plural, not a rent-boy and not taking them to secure locations.
his arrest was for gross indecency with a rent boy.
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True, but correct me if I'm wrong here - if he had been caught with a women he would not have been chemically castrated, making the homosexual nature of his 'crime' the key aspect & ergo deserving of a pardon.
Hmm. I've been reading up on this and it does appear that Turin actually chose Chemical Castration rather than a Custodial Sentence. There is also doubt over his 'state of mind' and subsequently his 'suicide' although I am still looking into that. It also appears that Chemical Castration was not routinely given to homosexuals, but was seen, in Turins case, to be a lenient option due to his position, it was also used (and from what I can tell still is) as a process in the rehabilitation of sex offenders.
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Duh, I know it's wrong and that is why I want all of them to have a pardon.
How fallacious of you to not read my posts.
That word probably doesn't work but I can't be arsed since you can't read.
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Brilliant.
Last night we were picked up by a Muslim taxi driver which is the norm in Stoke and asked how he had spent the day.
He said his kids woke him up at 7am to open their presents
but of course I already knew this for a lot of Muslim families.My daughters boyfriend didn't understand this and the taxi driver explained that he didn't know of one (British) Muslim family that didn't have their kids opening presents on Christmas day.
He said they didn't do it for religious reasons which is the same for 99% of the white British.
Tell me Sunama, is this your experience?
Sorry to derail.
that was his choice, iirc the boy was just let off with the equivalent of a suspended sentence.
you've also got to remember he was a special case, being gay made him vulnerable to blackmail/entrapment from spies at the time and so more of a security risk.
of course the practice was abhorrent (****ing with peoples hormones is not a good idea unless very carefully controlled, and it will have mental side effects that are unpredictable), but it wasn't forced on him or many others like people are trying to put across.
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Brilliant.
Last night we were picked up by a Muslim taxi driver which is the norm in Stoke and asked how he had spent the day.
He said his kids woke him up at 7am to open their presents
My daughters boyfriend didn't understand this and the taxi driver explained that he didn't know of one (British) Muslim family that didn't have their kids opening presents on Christmas day.
He said they didn't do it for religious reasons which is the same for 99% of the white British.
Tell me Sunama, is this your experience?
Sorry to derail.
This!!!!
**** jesus
That is disputed - some people argue that his death was accidental. He was working with cyanide at the time and it's quite possible to accidentally kill yourself with cyanide when you're using your spare bedroom as a lab. There's no clear evidence of suicide. There's no clear evidence of accidental death either - it is, for example, possible that Turing committed suicide in an unclear way in an attempt to make it easier on his friends and family.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18561092