Lawful killing of Mark Duggan

I live in Tottenham.. We'll see what happens tonight.. Last time it was a hell! Couldn't even get to my house! Hopefully they stay calm but looking at the people around Tottenham I can't see that happening!
 
grudas said:
I live in Tottenham.. We'll see what happens tonight.. Last time it was a hell! Couldn't even get to my house! Hopefully they stay calm but looking at the people around Tottenham I can't see that happening!
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Scum likes an excuse to do scummy things. We disagree with the jury and legal process, let's steal a telly and burn a carpet shop. I'd mow them down with a bloody Phalanx in Houseyworld.
 
Jesus Christ, listening to those chavs give an interview on Channel 4 is irritating as ****. "My son could never do the things theyre talking about". Yes he could, he was a violent ****!
 
grudas said:
I live in Tottenham.. We'll see what happens tonight.. Last time it was a hell! Couldn't even get to my house! Hopefully they stay calm but looking at the people around Tottenham I can't see that happening!
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Police are much more geared up for disorder now. I expect they'll be much more robust this time.
 
I'm confused by the people saying 'Great Result'.

The jury found it was a lawful killing, fair enough - I see no reason to believe they came to the wrong decision. But, ultimately, this was a sad tragedy - an unarmed man was shot. I don't see much to cheer.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Police are much more geared up for disorder now. I expect they'll be much more robust this time.
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A rainy, cold January day isn't going to produce the kind of riots we saw at the time of the shooting anyway.

A "robust response" isn't a magic cure. Policing in the UK is fundamentally policing-by-consent - if enough people want to riot, the Police can't stop them.
 
Mr Jack said:
I'm confused by the people saying 'Great Result'.

The jury found it was a lawful killing, fair enough - I see no reason to believe they came to the wrong decision. But, ultimately, this was a sad tragedy - an unarmed man was shot. I don't see much to cheer.
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Read into his history, and actually, not just his history but what he'd been doing that very day.
 
Dis86 said:
Read into his history, and actually, not just his history but what he'd been doing that very day.
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So what? I honestly wouldn't care less if he'd just come back from selling babies to Ian Watson; the Police do not exist to execute people. It is, of course, appropriate for the Police to have the resort to lethal force but it's very important that force is appropriately deployed. In this case, it appears it was; but I see no reason to cheer that as a "great result" any more than I'd be cheering if it went the other way.
 
thedoc46 said:
So the firing officer, needs to be discharged. If he can't tell the difference between a mobile phone and a firearm.

OK so he was scum, but he didn't come out all guns blazing.. Only then would I consider it a lawful killing.
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:rolleyes: So by that logic even if it had been the gun (and not a phone) it wouldn't of been a lawful killing as he hadn't come out 'guns blazing'?

Catanonia said:
Ok probably be flamed for this, but sick to death of all the namby pamby skirting around the issues that seem to happen all the time.

Remember the court of law jury had all the evidence, all you hear is sound bites on the TV or radio.

1. He was a known problem with history
2. Intelligence was obtained he had a gun
3. He had a gun when stopped, one can only assume it was for criminal intend why else would he have one
4. He was given plenty of warnings and failed to comply
5. He was shot when he made threatening moves having known to have a gun.
6. The officer acted within the law.

This is what the Jury decided in our over careful criminal system.

No matter what the outcome was, the locals shouting about the outcome of the enquiry (mainly black) will never accept this and will claim racism etc.

Let's get this right, it is fine for the youngster / gangsters to go around shooting each other and innocents, but if the police dare to stop an armed man and shot him when he fails to act to instructions and acts threateningly it is not ok ?

At the end of the day, he was involved in the wrong side of the law / community and had a gun on our streets for criminal intent.

Well done to the police and the community should look at themselves rather than the police.

As for his mother and what to tell his kids when they ask why their daddy is dead (on radio 5 live). Simple. Tell them he was a bad man and was punished for it.

Another typical example of run down inner city communities wanting to blame everyone but themselves.
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This and more of this. I would be quite happy for all other replies to be deleted after this quoted post and thread closed.
 
Housey said:
Scum likes an excuse to do scummy things. We disagree with the jury and legal process, let's steal a telly and burn a carpet shop.
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This, precisely this. There was zero political sentiment in the riots last time and if any occur and are blamed on this verdict it will be the same again. You can't claim you're demonstrating anger at a jury decision by nicking a 1kg bag of rice and a kitchen bin from Tesco.

It's just a shame that the media will continue to give any sort of credence to these supposed links and can't just come out and call rioters morons.
 
Mr Jack said:
So what? I honestly wouldn't care less if he'd just come back from selling babies to Ian Watson; the Police do not exist to execute people. It is, of course, appropriate for the Police to have the resort to lethal force but it's very important that force is appropriately deployed. In this case, it appears it was; but I see no reason to cheer that as a "great result" any more than I'd be cheering if it went the other way.
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He was not executed. He was lawfully killed as it was feared that he posed a threat to the safety of the officers present and the public, as you very well concede.
He was a nasty piece of work. Now there is one less nasty piece of work in existence.

Or do you like dangerous criminals?
 
Dangerous, drug dealing, gun toting criminals!

He wasn't a nice person, he played with fire and knew very well the consequences.
 
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