Lawful killing of Mark Duggan
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Or a time machine so you can see for yourself
Yes, that would also be acceptable.
It just seems that many are willing to take the police's word as gospel, even though they're the people who would probably want someone like Mark Duggan dead more than anyone else.
Yes, that would also be acceptable.
It just seems that many are willing to take the police's word as gospel, even though they're the people who would probably want someone like Mark Duggan dead more than anyone else.
Why would the police "want" anyone dead?
It's a job. When they go home do you think they take it personal and plot revenge or something?
Take a read of this thread, plenty of people seem to be pleased he's dead. "Scum deserved it" etc.
But what more can you go on. If all the evidence was provided for this enquiry and the Jury has looked at all the evidence and passed this verdict you cannot surely ask for anymore?
The laws we all live by have been upheld by a Jury and effectively cleared what the officer did. If further evidence comes to light further on then it will be re-opened surely.
The whole point is we will never be in the officers shoes, with the information he was given, whatever moves the deceased made that may have caused a split second decision to shoot. As I said early in this thread, I am damn glad it wasn't me in those shoes.
The laws we all live by have been upheld by a Jury and effectively cleared what the officer did. If further evidence comes to light further on then it will be re-opened surely.
The whole point is we will never be in the officers shoes, with the information he was given, whatever moves the deceased made that may have caused a split second decision to shoot. As I said early in this thread, I am damn glad it wasn't me in those shoes.
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Well I guess they should have waited another 10 seconds to see if they could see the object that looked like a gun more clearly. Maybe waited until he shot and killed either one of them or an innocent passer-by so they could be 100% sure it was definitely a gun.
Because by and large the police are very good (traffic cops aside) and if we didnt have them it would be armed vigilantes like Duggan roaming the streets which would be 1000000 times worse. Be thankfull you live in the UK where we can actually talk about these things and maybe make a change.
I am thankful a people like this are off the streets tbh, and i am sure the passer by might be as well who took a ricochet or a misplaced shot.
A bad egg is a bad egg and your better off with it out of the box.
I am thankful a people like this are off the streets tbh, and i am sure the passer by might be as well who took a ricochet or a misplaced shot.
A bad egg is a bad egg and your better off with it out of the box.
Forget the police for a moment.
Do you not think that a man who has just purchased a gun to shoot someone, but ended up being shot himself was deserved?
What if you or your family was his target? Should he have been arrested, banged up for 2 years and then released to continue coming after you?
I think that when the evidence presented is so subjective, we really should ask for more because otherwise, the decisions comes down to who the jury believes is the most trustworthy.. Which doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the truth.
I said the same but Witness B's testimony still doesn't rest easily with me, and I can't really see why they would lie about it. I do seem to be going around circles now though so I'll just leave it with saying that these cameras have my full support.
Edit: OK, just to add:
I don't think it really matters what I think. That post suggests to me you think killing him was justified, and I just wonder if the police felt the same way regardless of whether he was an actual threat in that moment.
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I would hazard a guess that the police felt it was justified because they actually shot him and killed him.
On this Witness B report, I don't know any details about the witness, however it's very possible that it could have been another idiotic person who just hate police, there's several of them in this thread and I imagine in a place like Tottenham there are lots of them.
1 witness doesn't make the rest of the evidence redundant.
thats easy for armchair generals like you to say. What constitutes real threat ? The police were given intel that this geeser was packing, therefore with this intel in mind if someone makes hand movements towards a location where they may be carrying a weapon in that split second as an armed officer you have to decide:
1. Shall I wait and see if he pulls a gun
2. I have intel that he has a gun, is he going for a gun
3. Is there any danger to me or officers/public if he pulls the gun
4. Don't shoot untill he pulls the gun
5. Shoot before he gets a chance to ull his gun
6. He pulled a gun shoot
by thetime you get to 6 it could already be curtains for you or someone else if he pulled a gun.
you have to literally go over that in seconds / microseconds.
It's easy for punks like you to say they shouldn't have done x, or they should have done y, after the event. How do you think you would fare if you were in that position............
He did deserve it......
Exactly the same as I'd deserve the same fate if I decided to become a gun wielding drug dealing prat.
True, but then it's also very possible that the police hate dangerous criminals and might be willing to shoot them if they think they can get away with it.
I'm flattered.
I thought I'd already said but apparently not... I don't disagree with any of that and I understand they have a very difficult job to do, and it's not a position I'd like to find myself in. On the other hand, it's quite foolish to assume they're all perfectly good people who would never do anything wrong and to just believe whatever they say without question.
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If all witnesses gave factual accounts, we wouldn't need juries.
The jury clearly decided that Witness B's testimony carried little weight. That's the reason we have juries. The suggestion from the Duggans and their supporters is that ten ordinary Londoners are part of the cover-up. If the jury system isn't sacrosanct, where do we go with our justice system? Trial by media?
To be honest I would probably shoot them if I could get away with it. Not saying they did but I certainly wouldn't blame them if this were the case.
From what we hear he had a violent background.
There appears to have been credible intelligence that he had a gun.
He knew he was being followed and chose to try to escape.
The jury found the police officers actions to be justified.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
There appears to have been credible intelligence that he had a gun.
He knew he was being followed and chose to try to escape.
The jury found the police officers actions to be justified.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.