Oh dear, the benefit scroungers are scared!

The government do. And places like The Princes Trust. There has been a HUGE push towards loans for entrepreuners lately.

I started my business with £10.

TheLegendOfMart said:
How is someone who gets £50-60 a week meant to find the money to start their own business?



Unlike you I actually help my local community by volunteering to pick up the crap people who are working throw out in their back alleys. I even volunteered to help clean up a local landmark which meant marching miles into the moors up a hill in bitterly cold weather to help paint it and get rid of graffiti.

I am not too good for any job, I would take anything at this moment. The last few interviews I went on they were up front and said there were hundreds of people applying for the job.

Funny how you think just because I am out of work and not finding thousands to start up my own company out of thin air that I am "sitting on my arse". Self righteous moron.
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How do you know that the only people who litter are working people?

I can be self righteous, because I was in your position once and I smashed the situation! Walk a mile in another mans shoes...been there, done that, it isn't like I am spouting advice having never been where you are!
 
86JR said:
How do you know that the only people who litter are working people?

I can be self righteous, because I was in your position once and I smashed the situation! Walk a mile in another mans shoes...been there, done that, it isn't like I am spouting advice having never been where you are!
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Yeah because your situation is exactly the same as mine, maybe I am lazy and not applying myself properly, I should go rethink my life.

There is no excuse for being self righteous, if you really have "walked a mile in another mans shoes" maybe you would be more empathetic and not such a ****.

What business can I start up with £10, I am curious.

If I choose to go self employed I lose housing benefits and council tax benefit, believe me I don't enjoy taking money out of the pot but that's what its there for. How do I pay my rent, council tax, bills, food, other expenses as well as fund a business with £10.

I suspect you are either talking out of your arse or you had a massive leg up from friends/family.
 
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TheLegendOfMart said:
If I choose to go self employed I lose housing benefits and council tax benefit, believe me I don't enjoy taking money out of the pot but that's what its there for. How do I pay my rent, council tax, bills, food, other expenses as well as fund a business with £10.
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And here is the crux of the benefits trap, it makes it damaging to even try.
 
TheLegendOfMart said:
If I choose to go self employed I lose housing benefits and council tax benefit, believe me I don't enjoy taking money out of the pot but that's what its there for. How do I pay my rent, council tax, bills, food, other expenses as well as fund a business with £10.

I suspect you are either talking out of your arse or you had a massive leg up from friends/family.
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And there it is ladies and gentleman, there is the reason "The legend of mart" doesn't bother finding a job.
 
I have not even bothered to read this thread..... :eek:

But if you guys dont know this program is a set up, then god help us all!! :rolleyes:
 
86JR said:
And there it is ladies and gentleman, there is the reason "The legend of mart" doesn't bother finding a job.
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Are you dense or are just trolling?

Did you miss the fact that I volunteer with the local community and the fact that I've been on interviews with 100's of candidates, and the fact I look on jobsmatch daily?

I see my disability advisor (I don't claim for disability either, even though I could) at jobcentre at least twice maybe three times a week as well as Remploy who help get disabled people into work, including doing 6 months unpaid 40 hour week job at their "training" factory. Other than that yeah I totally am sitting on my arse not looking for a job. :rolleyes:

You don't know me or my situation so keep your moronic comments to yourself.
 
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And there it is ladies and gentleman, there is the reason "The legend of mart" doesn't bother finding a job.
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You really are an idiot. There's a difference between becoming self employed without a viable business plan or capital, or actively looking for a salaried position.
 
86JR said:
Yes, I am too good for picking up litter, and I am not on benefits. Surely you can see the correlation? If I had to choose, and there was no alternative, my self respect would not allow me to sit on benefits, I would be out there picking up your litter!
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Sorry guys, I had to butt in.
Let's assume that for some reason, you are unlucky enough to have a serious illness.
This has happened to many successful people, and it isn't beyond the realms of imagination to loose it all.

Would you be too good to pick up litter if that was the only way of feeding yourself and your family?

I think someone needs to climb down off his horse, there is a great deal to be said for humility.
 
I could see this problem coming years ago, I worked as an electrician on social housing in the North west area.
I saw entire estates of people, with no ambition, well I tell a lie, their only ambition was to get pregnant as quickly as possible to have a council house on the same road as Mum and Gran.
Immigrant workers came, in great numbers to fill the gaps in the job market.

The sensible - much harder solution would have been to get entire estates of young fit people off their asses and benefits and into gainful employment.

The problem is now compounded a great deal by the global recession/depression and over population in the UK.

£7 /hr is NOT a living wage, we have more people than we have jobs and it's only going to get worse.
 
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Why on earth not? The money is there to help support you, why make it more difficult than it should be?
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I can't speak for legendofmart, but there are certainly reasons to not claim given how many hoops and how much hassle it causes even for people with confirmed and measurable disabilities, and the increase isn't that great in most cases.
 
Raikiri said:
You do realise Jobseekers Allowance constitutes less than 1% of the total spend annually, much more is spent helping people who work either part or full time because minimum wage is too low.
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I'm not really sure why statements such as this enter into the debate.

The TV show is clearly (and rightly IMO) aimed at highlighting the very real problem of benefit dependency amongst the long term unemployed.

Yes, job seekers is £5bn a year (about 3%) of the welfare budget. But, for starters, many of the long term unemployed claim a lot more than just job seekers, and the cost is significant.

However, it's not the cost most people take issue with. It's principle. Benefits street maybe a caricature of benefits abuse, but these people do exist, and it's unfair to chastise channel 4 for showing the truth.

They are a minority, but it's a minority that needs addressing if the system is to operate in the interests of the majority.
 
Stretch said:
I'm not really sure why statements such as this enter into the debate.

The TV show is clearly (and rightly IMO) aimed at highlighting the very real problem of benefit dependency amongst the long term unemployed.

Yes, job seekers is £5bn a year (about 3%) of the welfare budget. But, for starters, many of the long term unemployed claim a lot more than just job seekers, and the cost is significant.

However, it's not the cost most people take issue with. It's principle. Benefits street maybe a caricature of benefits abuse, but these people do exist, and it's unfair to chastise channel 4 for showing the truth.

They are a minority, but it's a minority that needs addressing if the system is to operate in the interests of the majority.
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I think the Raikiri's point (I'm relying on being corrected if I've misinterpreted it) is that a lot of time (and therefore money) is being wasted trying to reduce a 5bn spend down to, for example, 4.5bn at the expense of a lot of people being a lot worse off than they were before, when there are other ways to make this sort of money but it involves upsetting people who might actually be voters.

Yes there are no doubt some people living fairly comfortably off their state income, but that will be achieved with allowances for children not purely JSA and housing benefit. At which point trying to make work pay by making benefits almost impossible to live on risks harming children. Likewise it's a bit disheartening when you see people spend their benefit income on junk food and booze but any sort of voucher programme will be abused (e.g. market traders might not be able to accept them or be able to cope with the delay it would take to get them turned into real money by the government) and it just stigmatises people and is ultimately unhelpful.
 
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