4770K successor, How much better ?

Dicehunter · 27 Jan 2014 at 22:51

So the Haswell refresh will be coming out this year, Based on current information how much more performance will it have over the 4770K ?

Davedree · 27 Jan 2014 at 23:57

Is it not like the 2700k over the 2600k, or 2550k over the 2500k scenario again? Just an increased turbo bin and base?

Dicehunter · 28 Jan 2014 at 00:17

Davedree said:
Is it not like the 2700k over the 2600k, or 2550k over the 2500k scenario again? Just an increased turbo bin and base?

Having done a more in depth search it appears so, No architectural changes at all, Just a 100MHZ base clock increase and name change, Disappointing

ToTheMax · 28 Jan 2014 at 09:59

Come on Intel, give me a reason to upgrade rather than these small incremental steps. Where's the innovation!

Cooper · 28 Jan 2014 at 11:22

ToTheMax said:
Come on Intel, Where's the innovation!

Hiding behind AMD's engineering failure....

wazza300 · 28 Jan 2014 at 12:06

wait for skylake,ddr4 and sata express

all broadwell will offer is a mild performance increase clock for clock and lower power usage im guessing,ohh and a better igpu

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 28 Jan 2014 at 15:38

The biggest problem is because of the lack of advancement the older chips hold their prices so well. No good for us bargain hunters

humbug · 28 Jan 2014 at 17:44

Cooper said:
Hiding behind AMD's engineering failure....

its idea's like this which lets them know they will sell on mass anyway.

You only have yourselves to blame really.

ndaar · 28 Jan 2014 at 17:54

Yeah I think its a case of waiting for haswell-e or skylake, I don't think broadwell will be worth it if your already on a haswell system.

Dicehunter · 28 Jan 2014 at 17:58

humbug said:
its idea's like this which lets them know they will sell on mass anyway.

You only have yourselves to blame really.

Bit of a silly comment, The reason why Intel sell on en mass is because they simply outperform AMD's offerings.

If AMD pulled their thumb out and tried hard instead of releasing half a**** CPU's then they would sell more.

We need AMD to be on par with Intel, That's when we will see aggressive competition in performance and pricing, Until that time comes though we will only see these base clock increments which hold no real world performance gains.

I wonder, If AMD never bought ATI would they have caught up to Intels CPU's by now ?
As of now they have themselves spread very thinly across many products, Motherboards, CPU's, GPU's, APU's and probably more.

humbug · 28 Jan 2014 at 18:09

Dicehunter said:
Bit of a silly comment, The reason why Intel sell on en mass is because they simply outperform AMD's offerings.

If AMD pulled their thumb out and tried hard instead of releasing half a**** CPU's then they would sell more.

We need AMD to be on par with Intel, That's when we will see aggressive competition in performance and pricing, Until that time comes though we will only see these base clock increments which hold no real world performance gains.

I wonder, If AMD never bought ATI would they have caught up to Intels CPU's by now ?
As of now they have themselves spread very thinly across many products, Motherboards, CPU's, GPU's, APU's and probably more.

The FX-83## performs pretty well in modern games compared with the i5 and i7 for much less money.

Granted its not AS fast as a 4770K but not that far off either.

Its all-right saying "oh the Intel is 10 FPS faster out 90 or more" yet it also costs twice as much, because thats all people see. oh the AMD slower so its crap.

No, its not. less blaming AMD for Intels lack of up steeping, its nothing to do with AMD. you buy them, you pay their prices, Intel have you go ahead to do as they are, all you will do is blame AMD, buy Intel's CPU's anyway and Intel get complacent because they can do no wrong, its all AMD's fault.

Your misinformed and misdirected.

Dicehunter · 28 Jan 2014 at 18:16

humbug said:
The FX-83## performs pretty well in modern games compared with the i5 and i7 for much less money.

Granted its not AS fast as a 4770K but not that far off either.

Its all-right saying "oh the Intel is 10 FPS faster out 90 or more" yet it also costs twice as much, because thats all people see. oh the AMD slower so its crap.

No, its not. less blaming AMD for Intels lack of up steeping, its nothing to do with AMD. you buy them, you pay their prices, Intel have you go ahead to do as they are, all you will do is blame AMD.

Your misinformed and misdirected.

Again such a silly little comment.
It is common practice to keep ahead of your competition but if your competition is dragging behind then what's the point in racing ahead when you can just release CPU's with base clock increments that are ahead of them and people will still buy them.

wazza300 · 28 Jan 2014 at 18:19

competition drives prices down and pushes improvement

right now intel can take its time,even deliberately sabotaging current ivy/haswell performance

we need to see better from amd,not just as good or nearly as good but better performing and cheaper,then intel will have to pull its socks up

Terminal_Boy · 28 Jan 2014 at 18:20

So, if you done use HT or do lots of video/audio encoding, there's going to be zero point in gamers buying the Haswell refresh if they already have a decent i5/i7?

Dicehunter · 28 Jan 2014 at 18:24

wazza300 said:
competition drives prices down and pushes improvement

right now intel can take its time,even deliberately sabotaging current ivy/haswell performance

we need to see better from amd,not just as good or nearly as good but better performing and cheaper,then intel will have to pull its socks up

That would be great but personally I think AMD have themselves spread out far too thin, CPU's + GPU's take a lot of R&D and then when you have 1 company making both something somewhere has to suffer.

Terminal_Boy said:
So, if you done use HT or do lots of video/audio encoding, there's going to be zero point in gamers buying the Haswell refresh if they already have a decent i5/i7?

Pretty much

Perfect_Chaos · 28 Jan 2014 at 20:25

Probably gonna sell off my i7 920 and 5870 while they're still worth something... i was thinking of upgrading to Haswell-e 6-8 core, they're supposed to be bringing out a 5930k 8 core for about £500 aren't they? Well.. at least it's not an insane price like the Extreme Editions, still expensive though.

Should last a long time, things don't seem to be going anywhere lately with clockspeeds so more cores is the answer i guess.

humbug · 28 Jan 2014 at 22:56

Dicehunter said:
Again such a silly little comment.
It is common practice to keep ahead of your competition but if your competition is dragging behind then what's the point in racing ahead when you can just release CPU's with base clock increments that are ahead of them and people will still buy them.

Do you even know anymore what your referring to as a silly comment?

Blaming AMD for Intels stagnation is silly, are you just trolling people for pointing out idiotic comments by calling them silly?

Your issues with Intel are not AMD's fault, don't be stupid.

seriously thats just demented.

Avenged7Fold · 28 Jan 2014 at 23:23

Expecting AMD to pump out chips on par with Intels current top range of mainstream chips is a bit much. They simply dont have pockets deep enough to fund the sort of development needed to release chips with the same clock for clock performance and which use smaller lower power architecture.

IMO i think AMD have done quite well and that there is little wrong with the fx 8 chips apart from that they were released in a time where few apps could utilise them properly.

As for spreading themselves too thin, i disagree with it. Sure they dont have the cash to be splashing on everything but their APUs are a huge success and have netted themselves consoles as well as a fair bit of interest as budget gaming PCs.

All well and good saying that we need AMD to be on par but that is not AMDs fault, as they like every other company have limited resources and a much smaller wallet than Intel.

abbotsmike · 28 Jan 2014 at 23:41

|I'll be honest, I still don't see any compelling reason to upgrade from my 2500k! Nothing intel have done have made me think that I need to upgrade, I suspect if and when I do upgrade next it will only be to shove my current processor and motherboard into a home server/NAS, because there'll be no point in buying newer hardware to do it.

Dicehunter · 29 Jan 2014 at 00:07

humbug said:
Do you even know anymore what your referring to as a silly comment?

Blaming AMD for Intels stagnation is silly, are you just trolling people for pointing out idiotic comments by calling them silly?

Your issues with Intel are not AMD's fault, don't be stupid.

seriously thats just demented.

You sure your not trolling ?
I never said I had an issue with Intel so I don't know where you got that from, And it's a well known fact that because there is no real competition for Intel they can just release CPU's with a base clock increase and not much else.