You'd get nicked for driving without glasses I suspect, as I can read it.
Sainsbury's Parking Ticket
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You'd get nicked for driving without glasses I suspect, as I can read it.
As far as I know local authorities can choose how to enforce them. Many do by the following:
It also says 'park' not wait. As I say above, the definition is clear.
Oh and I'm fine, just surrounded by people (no inference to our OP here I hasten to add) by people who seem unwilling to take personal responsibility and I am venting it here.
You **** up, you pay it. You **** up AND they **** up, you shouldn't pay it. Quite simple as far as I'm concerned - if they can't be bothered putting in the effort to make everything compliant, then why should I be bothered to give them my money?
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He has a point. The sign is poorly worded and implies that the charge applies if you contravene the 'following' conditions - the wording about leaving the vehicle preceed and do not follow this statement. There are no real conditions that follow except for the very small print which you'd need to leave the car to read.
He's coming at it from a strict legal perspective.
There's a difference between getting of the car to read the sign near the car, and getting out and getting some money out.
I see cab drivers use these space to pick up passengers and they get out to help put the bags in the boot, they wont get a fine for merely stepping out the vehicle. if they popped out even for a minute to grab a drink from the shop, they would probably get a fine just like this person did when they grabbed some cash.
Edit: That said on my local hospital they have exactly same regulation and I have seen people pop out and leave their vehicles and go inside the lobby to meet or collect people.
So where did they **** up in this case as I am failing to see it?
You can seriously read the small print on that sign under the crossed through P?
You must have bionic eyes.
Ears, the eyes are next.
If the OP has a case then fight it, I suspect he doesn't, others suspect he does, but no one here can say he does either way or not. The rest is conjecture and navel gazing. Some people here are right, some are wrong, debating it will not prove otherwise until it's tested. Knowing these signs as we have them at various places around where I live they are relative easy to read from your car.
The BPA have a vast amount of rules for signage and enforcement that these companies must comply with to allow them to enforce these tickets. There's a multitude of other ways this ticket is non enforceable, but purely on signage, the text is too small, too ambiguous, too poorly worded, and there probably isn't enough of the actual signs.
One of my recent appeals was from a mcdonalds which was actually pretty well signed IMO, but after reading through some links sent to me by those in the know, it still wasn't enough. There has to be several signs, all easily readable from the car, there has to be clear signs at entry and exit, also readable from the car, and all signage must be completely clear and not open to any interpretation.
Basically, I doubt there's a private car park in the UK that 100% complies as the rules are extremely stringent and complex. I've lost count of the number of private tickets I've appealed and won, not to mention the council car park and bus lane fines. I've only ever paid one parking ticket out of probably 30+, you'd be amazed at how poorly these things are enforced.
I suspect you're wrong, but to my point above.
From the OP's first picture I would definitely have to leave the vehicle to read that small print, I suspect most people would.
If you can read it from any of the photographs, what does it say?
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Do you not know what a big P with a line through it means? 
I actually don't disagree (as a general point) and if our OP believes he has a case then all power to him. The reality of course is there probably isn't a case in this instant as Sainsburys are a bit more switched on (not perfect) than Freds chippy. The law is an ass, but sometimes we know right and wrong and still chose wrong and then when we get caught we moan like 5 year olds who just dropped their Refreshers down the drain and try to find little reasons why we were wronged. THAT is the point I am making here, the OP was purely a vehicle for a point, I wish him no ill feeling.
As you say, based from the photographs. Hardly a good starting point.
To be clear, I am talking about the BIG writing and then the writing in brackets. That CLEARLY tells me I can't park there and leave the car. I am not talking about the VERY small print, which to me is an irrelevance as the BIG writing and the writing in brackets is clear and would be the basis of dispute I suspect.
It's enough for me to make a reasonable judgement that I would not be able to read it form inside a vehicle.