Joe Kinnear Resigns!!

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I did look but couldn't find a thread on this so apologies if there is one.

Are any other toon fans pleased with this?

I, for one, am :) although reading SSN this morning it says Llambias is on good terms with Ashley again and he may take up the role again.

Now if that is the case is there talk for this to have all been set up from the start.

We want them gone, Llambias goes, Kinnear comes in. Toon fans outraged, does nothing for the season and picks up a healthy pay check, Kinnear goes, Llambias comes back, Toon fans happy as they prefer him over Kinnear?

With Ashley nothing would surprise me.
 
did nothing anyway..so what diffrerence does it make

his first signing was probably on his letter of resignation.

just another smoke screen by ashley to try and appease the fans who are becoming increasingly angry again. the transcripts of Pardews post match press conference show just how much is being made the fall guy again.

(people will be able to tell from my username that I am a Sunderland Fan but being from south shields its a mixed fanbase. family and friends support one or the other..so I can sympathise, but not too much!)
 
Thats the thing though, he was there to sign players, and he didnt. Im pretty sure he scouted someone only to be told he played for us and was on loan, cant remember who it was though.

But that was the other point, looks like Kinnear was just there as a whipping boy to be sacked/resign when things go wrong so it takes off the negative attitude and could be a smoke screen to bring back Llambias.

Yeah I figured as much
 
I see Newcastle with 37 points and 14 games left.... what precisely is going wrong that the negative attitude needs to be taken off? Oh right, the fans who believe Ashley is holding them back from pushing for a champs league place? They sold their best player..... literally first club ever to do so, because before Cabaye's sale, running out the contracts of top players was always the best idea and made clubs loads of extra money to reinvest in the team.

Exactly what has gone wrong except Newcastle having a vastly improved year in which they would essentially have to lose probably all 14 games left to be relegated and are in the fight still for a europa league place(which is a mixed blessing).

So aside from Newcastle fans acting like they are bottom three and pretending clubs don't sell their top players, what precisely is going so wrong that firing Kinnear is being used to distract people from it?

You could make that argument if fired while in a relegation fight or after relegation... but 3 points off Utd, 10 off Liverpool...... what exactly is so dire at Newcastle? The team looked a bit lost a few days after losing their best player, which team wouldn't be?
 
He's been utterly useless and unprofessional since he did that phone call on Talk Sport.

It sickens me that he's made money from doing nothing at Newcastle.

Lliambias would be a welcome back in my eyes, he's an Ashley puppet, but you can't argue with his shrewd business sense. He actually got "players over the line"!

The circus that is Newcastle United continues however, but I'm glad we've got rid of Kinnear. He knew Cabaye was going in January and did nothing to secure a replacement until it was too late.
 
Completely agree, DM. If you had seen the NUFC fan page on Facebook the past week, you would have had aneurysm.

We took two big blows in a week - losing Cabaye then losing at home to the unwashed - but the response has been completely dispproportionate. Cabaye was always going to leave eventually - as a club we just can't offer him what a player of his quality deserves. Pardew deserves some credit for getting some great performances out of him after his head was turned by Arsenal in the summer. And painful as it is to lose to Sunderland again, we are having a good season overall.

I don't think Ashely is trying to hide anything by getting rid of Kinnear, or that he is trying to appease the fans (when has he ever?). He's just realised that after two transfer windows with no permanent signings, bringing Kinnear in was a huge mistake.

Hopefully we can now look forward to a summer where we can build on this solid season.

...but 3 points off Utd, 10 off Liverpool...... what exactly is so dire at Newcastle?

Actually scrap that. Three points off that Man Utd team is just embarassing.
 
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Problem is DM, Kinnear came out and was quoted "no one will leave in January". Then we ended up selling our best player.

We used to challenge Man U for the title, playing Barcelona in the CL. So no, we are not content with being a mid table club. We have one of the biggest stadiums in the league that gets sold out for every game. Ashley has the funds, but he bought the club to make money, which has hindered the clubs progression.

Apparently the club "owes" MA £110m in loans (which are interest free). He took £11m from us in the summer as payment on the loan. We have also netted £45m in player sales, and he's yet to dip into the £60m TV money. The club in littered with his companies advertising, which isn't subsidised, so the club is penalised and missing out on forms of advertising revenue. We have one of the worst sponsorship deals in the PL! Yet we should arguably be one of the biggest clubs in the PL.

This is what makes the fans angry. Pardew get's a lot of flack sometimes, which is uncalled for. He's doing wonders with the squad he has, and I don't think our season is over after losing to the mackems. We've done well considering, but no players have been bought in the last 2 windows. And we are not progressing as a club.
 
You challenged Man Utd once, you also got relegated as well does that mean you should be content to finish 4th from bottom?
 
I had no problem in selling Cabaye, I always knew we were going to lose him eventually, we cant offer what we want which is understandable. It was the lack of transfer activity that is highly annoying.

Apart from wages this season, the only other money that has been spent on is loan deals, baring in mind you take the sponsorship deals, the transfers of players out and TV rights, then surely this interest free loan we have should nearly be paid up by now?

Like I said, majority of people hated Llambias when he was in charge of transfers, not everybody, but majority, they associated him along with Ashley as the cockney mafia, I said it could have all been a play so fans prefer him over Kinnear if he comes back, and dont associate it with the cockney mafia.

I know we have done well this season, I didnt mention anything about our performances or our league standings so dont know why you brought that up, I was on about the way the club was been ran.

I've always said, as long as Ashley invested money into the team I wouldnt have a problem with it. At the end of the day he got us out of a lot of ****. but when you get £20m for your best player then you would be annoyed if they didnt replace them.
 
Who cares, he done **** all so it doesn't matter one bit.

No longer give a toss what goes on at Newcastle, its like watching a really **** comedy sitcom.
 
Problem is DM, Kinnear came out and was quoted "no one will leave in January". Then we ended up selling our best player.

We used to challenge Man U for the title, playing Barcelona in the CL. So no, we are not content with being a mid table club. We have one of the biggest stadiums in the league that gets sold out for every game. Ashley has the funds, but he bought the club to make money, which has hindered the clubs progression.

Apparently the club "owes" MA £110m in loans (which are interest free). He took £11m from us in the summer as payment on the loan. We have also netted £45m in player sales, and he's yet to dip into the £60m TV money. The club in littered with his companies advertising, which isn't subsidised, so the club is penalised and missing out on forms of advertising revenue. We have one of the worst sponsorship deals in the PL! Yet we should arguably be one of the biggest clubs in the PL.

This is what makes the fans angry. Pardew get's a lot of flack sometimes, which is uncalled for. He's doing wonders with the squad he has, and I don't think our season is over after losing to the mackems. We've done well considering, but no players have been bought in the last 2 windows. And we are not progressing as a club.

lol....

Hasn't dipped into the 60mil tv money yet? As for what money has been spent on I'll put it this way. Atletico's budget is 125mil, their wage budget is 65mil, just because you think there are no other costs doesn't mean there aren't. Ground maintenance, insurance(which is HUGE on dozens of players making millions a year), travel fee's.

Quick google check found me the 10/11 numbers, 75mil expenses of which 55mil or so was wages. This will have increases significantly. That year the tv money was 48mil, 60mil might sound like a lot of tv money. But the club was barely breaking even 2 years ago with only 12mil less tv money. The 5 players you bought in Jan will have significantly added to the wage budget, though you've trimmed others off.

The club is barely profitable and the 110mil interest free loan won't be paid off any time soon.

Some transfer windows you spend 20mi, others you recoup 20mil, you can't always spend what you get in at the same time, it's football. You and many other Newcastle fans on here seem to want to ignore that Utd/Arsenal/CHelsea/City have all had to wait for the players they want, Real waited 2 years to get Ronaldo.


as for Kinnear saying no one will leave... did you want him to say "we're selling Cabaye for sure, he's screaming to get out", how do you think that would effect his cost, you think it would bring clubs out into a bidding war to overpay? DoF's/managers playing hardball in the press... not new, not something Fergie, Wenger, or any other club hasn't done almost every transfer window. There are things to complain about but the niggly crap that every club goes through is just being silly.


Arsenal for the record, while bringing in 100mil a year(compared to Newcastle's roughly 20mil) from gate receipts a year(that means we're being charged MASSIVELY more) waited till they had cash reserves of 170million..... before finally spending on Ozil. The vast majority of clubs try to have a cash reserve, frankly in case of disaster. It's reckless to spend every penny you have instantly.

Ashley also prevented the club turning into Portsmouth through it's incredible debt that he naively but bravely took on to save the club he loves. He isn't some Russian/middle eastern oil billionaire, expecting the same level of investment is well, silly.

AS for playing Barcelona... what is your point, the club almost drove itself to financial ruin to achieve that and Ashley is the man who saved your club from the results of that spending, and now you're angry he's not doing it again?

If you want to see Newcastle compete, offer to pay 3-4 times the current ticket prices to let you compete with the top clubs revenue so you can compete.....

You don't have a better shirt sponsor, because no one wants to throw 20mil at Newcastle a year, they aren't consistently in the CL, they don't have the fan base, they don't have the financial muscle to compete. As I asked in the other threat, for a guy supposedly taking all the money out of the club, do you think he went with Wonga when others were offering much more?


Billionaire Mike Ashley has secured his second successive year of profits with the St James’ Park club.

Overall profit was recorded at £1.4m following player amortisation which has seen Newcastle re-enter the world’s top 20 revenue-generating clubs after increasing turnover to £93.3m – representing a 5.4% increase on last year.

A fifth-place finish in the league saw TV income swell by 14.6% with the squad set to benefit from an agreement on broadcasting for next year.

Average attendance at St. James’ Park rose to 49,936 – an increase of 2,190 on last year.

But after the club froze season ticket prices their ticket revenue has fell by 7%.

As a result of these initiatives the club saw a hugely significant increase in the number of season ticket holders and members.

The number of season ticket holders reached its highest level since 2007.

Commercial revenue fell by 12.7%, though the latest figures do not include income from the club’s new partnership deal with Wonga.

That partnership, which is effective from the 2013/14 season, represents a significant increase on the club’s previous commercial agreements.

While operating costs have remained steady at £21.6m, operating profit is down from £13.3m to £7.5m.

A key factor is an increase in the club’s wage bill, which has risen by 20% to £64.1m following the signings of a number of key players, including Cabaye, Marveaux, Santon, Ba and Cisse.

That puts the club’s wages-to-turnover at 68.7%, an increase of 8.1% rise relative to last year’s ratio.

1.4mil profit.... huge, 64mil wages... 98mil income, 21.6mil operating costs. Profit doesn't always mean big, wage bills go up every year. This is how English clubs work, big tv money = big wages compared to almost every other team in europe outside of those with their own tv deals. Newcastle(and Everton, probably several others) spend the same wages as Atletico Madrid and Dortmund spend. Big English tv money means attracting better players because they can get more money here than in Spain/Germany/Italy at the same sized clubs, then the players who improve move back to those big clubs, a la Cabaye. Tv money increases every 4 years, so does the average wage. The increase in Tv money at best gives you increased spending for a year before you sign 2 players to contract extensions at increased wages, and sign one new guy who wants a bigger slice of the new huge tv money pie.
 
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Sorry, couldn't be ***** to read your dribble.

I've already said MA wants to make a profit from Newcastle, but you can't make a profit running a football club. He got into this for all the wrong reasons. Which is why we will never see the heights of the Keegan/Robson era.
 
We are a mid table team.

I'm accepting this now. We haven't got the clout to get into the top4. W

I dont spend money on the club anymore, Yes I am a fan but I'm not stumping up good cash on a team with no means to get any higher. Id rather spend my money on Gateshead to get them up the leagues.

We aren't going anyway in the Premierleague anymore.
 
They are a joke of a club nowadays. It's a shame but that's the way it is.

I used to think they had decent fans but I saw a video earlier after the Sunderland game and it was depressing, getting kids to call Ashley a ****** on camera and throwing bangers at Police horses :/
 
They are a joke of a club nowadays. It's a shame but that's the way it is.

I used to think they had decent fans but I saw a video earlier after the Sunderland game and it was depressing, getting kids to call Ashley a ****** on camera and throwing bangers at Police horses :/

Yes, tarnish the whole fanbase from a few examples! Nice one, there are thugs who support Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United too...
 
Yes, tarnish the whole fanbase from a few examples! Nice one, there are thugs who support Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United too...

Of course there is and I'm not tarnishing all of them, read the post again :)

I used to think that they were a decent bunch of fans whenever I have encountered them, seeing that video and the disgrace of a good few hundred of them has changed my mind.

Not all of them but a fair few hundred :)

They seem to dislike horses for some reason :confused:
 
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