Tyres aren't ditch finders bad drivers are!

jej_knowles - http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm

The worst tyre takes 28 metres longer to stop in the wet compared to the best tyre. That will be on the same car going the same speed. 28 metres! 91+ feet! Just think about that and think about how big a difference that could make to avoiding an accident, death or injury.

Just think about that for a while and then you will realise how stupid your argument is.
 
wez130 said:
How many tyres last 5 years? You must drive about 2000 miles a year?

Also, a 5 year old tyre on a car will be pretty knackered regardless of how much grip is left, i wouldn't trust a 5 yr old tyre on my car.

Howeveould not buy cheap tyres either, i want to feel safe in the wet as well as the dry, iiwouldn't feel safe with cheap tyres.
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they are hypothetical figures to make a point, the point being good tyres are not expensive when you consider the advantages you get, especiall when taken in the context of how much a car costs to run per month, so do the same maths On the babsis a tyre will last 3 years, but on the basis most people have 2wd, and rotation, 5 years can easily be had from a set of 4 tyres.
 
By this logic I should be fine on bald tyres in torrential rain as long as I'm really, really careful?

We will ignore the fact I may kill someone when they do something stupid and unexpected in front of me like the kid that shot into the dual carriageway slip road in 2008 straight out of the trees on his scooter & then fell off when he saw me, panicked & tried to turn around and I stopped with about a foot to spare. Pretty sure if I had ditchfinders as opposed to Eagle F1's I'd have splattered him.

It doesn't matter how careful you are, this is a public road full of idiots that do stupid things right in front of you.
 
Jono8 said:
jej_knowles - http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm

The worst tyre takes 28 metres longer to stop in the wet compared to the best tyre. That will be on the same car going the same speed. 28 metres! 91+ feet! Just think about that and think about how big a difference that could make to avoiding an accident, death or injury.

Just think about that for a while and then you will realise how stupid your argument is.
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If you couldn't be bothered to read my opening statement then please don't reply telling me I am stupid .
Why is everyone raging about stopping distances when that has nothing at all to do with what my gripe was with?
 
jej_knowles said:
If you couldn't be bothered to read my opening statement then please don't reply telling me I am stupid .
Why is everyone raging about stopping distances when that has nothing at all to do with what my gripe was with?
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He said your argument is stupid, not you personally. And he's correct.

What exactly is your gripe?
 
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Probably because stopping distance is the main reason that a lot of us put decent tyres on our cars. I think it has everything to do with it.

I picked my Mondeo tyres based on what reviews said about wet braking, as this is what is most important to me on that car.
 
OK.

BAN CLASSIC CARS!!!!

They are utter death traps with NO place on the modern highway.
I mean skinny cross ply tyres on vintage models.

What if a small child where to accidentally loose his football in the road, on a cold winters day, just after a toy truck had shed it's load of marbles all over the road?




There have been horrendous cars in the past, so dangerous I shudder to think, such as my Mini 850 with manually adjustable drum brakes all round.

A good driver drives within the limits of his vehicle, otherwise HGVs, Buses and waggons would be crashing so frequently they would be banned.

What's the stopping distance of a double decker in the wet??
 
My gripe is with idiot drivers labeling Tyres as ditch finders meaning the Tyres will spit you off the road and into the nearest ditch when that is not true! A driver with no feel for the grip available will find themselves in a ditch because they are idiots!
 
Is it prudent to fit 'ditch finders' on your Porsche Turbo and then drive it as it was designed to be driven? - Of course it isn't! firstly it's illegal and secondly the grip from cheap rubber would be so easily overwhelmed by a powerful car only and idiot would do it.
 
It's just a name, it doesn't mean they will literally throw you into the first ditch you pass. It certainly is a lot easier than calling them something along the lines of "Stupid child that runs out between parked cars in the wet finders"
 
jej_knowles said:
My gripe is with idiot drivers labeling Tyres as ditch finders meaning the Tyres will spit you off the road and into the nearest ditch when that is not true! A driver with no feel for the grip available will find themselves in a ditch because they are idiots!
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If you drive at 'sensible speeds' I very much doubt that cheap legal tyres with good tread in good condition would do you any harm at all.

Commute on the M62 through the depths of winter?

I would want the best there is, probably a winter set too.
 
SkodaMart said:
OK.

BAN CLASSIC CARS!!!!

They are utter death traps with NO place on the modern highway.
I mean skinny cross ply tyres on vintage models.

What if a small child where to accidentally loose his football in the road, on a cold winters day, just after a toy truck had shed it's load of marbles all over the road?




There have been horrendous cars in the past, so dangerous I shudder to think, such as my Mini 850 with manually adjustable drum brakes all round.

A good driver drives within the limits of his vehicle, otherwise HGVs, Buses and waggons would be crashing so frequently they would be banned.

What's the stopping distance of a double decker in the wet??
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I definitely agree that 'cute' vintage tyres should be banned from public roads, and be 'for show purposes' only.
 
mattyfez said:
I definitely agree that 'cute' vintage tyres should be banned from public roads, and be 'for show purposes' only.
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I think a valid defence is they only come out in A1 conditions.

I've driven my Mini in the snow on the motorway and frankly it was ******* terrifying.
 
jej_knowles said:
My gripe is with idiot drivers labeling Tyres as ditch finders meaning the Tyres will spit you off the road and into the nearest ditch when that is not true! A driver with no feel for the grip available will find themselves in a ditch because they are idiots!
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Did you once get bummed by Mr A Ditchfinder?
 
jej_knowles said:
My gripe is with idiot drivers labeling Tyres as ditch finders meaning the Tyres will spit you off the road and into the nearest ditch when that is not true! A driver with no feel for the grip available will find themselves in a ditch because they are idiots!
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You've successfully missed any point entirely.
 
SkodaMart said:
A good driver drives within the limits of his vehicle, otherwise HGVs, Buses and waggons would be crashing so frequently they would be banned.

What's the stopping distance of a double decker in the wet??
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So when you kill a kid who's run out in front of you, or slammed into the back of someone who did an emergency stop because you couldn't stop quickly enough because of your crap tyres, your defence will be "well, if I was driving a double decker bus, I would have hit you anyway"? :rolleyes:

And you still didn't answer my point - if you're going to drive really slowly everywhere, why do you need brakes that actually work?

SkodaMart said:
If you drive at 'sensible speeds' I very much doubt that cheap legal tyres with good tread in good condition would do you any harm at all.
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And what exactly is a "sensible speed"?

I'm guessing anything over 20mph? Which excludes you from about 99% of the country's roads...
 
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