Swiss End-EU free movement

Immigration really is a double-edged sword.

On the one hand, we have benefited enormously from skilled workers (like doctors) coming to live and work here.

On the other hand, we don't want our population to balloon beyond our ability to cope. But then that's not just immigrants, our home-grown chavs and benefit scroungers are all free to have as many kids as like. And they're probably less likely to find work too.

Then there's absolutely nothing to stop companies from out-sourcing to oversees companies. If it's cheaper to manufacture overseas than it is to import labour and manufacture here, then that's what will happen.

Frankly, it doesn't seem that limiting immigration will secure employment for Brits. Everything is globalised now and there is no going back.

The only justification I can see for limiting immigration is if our infrastructure can't cope, or if increased population puts pressure on the environment.

Beyond that, immigration isn't the holy grail for boosting our own chances that some people might think. We may have to accept falling wages as a consequence of easier global trade. After all, why hire a Brit for £10/hour when you can hire an Indian for £5/hour? Even a 'British' company will not think twice about that one.
 
Keen to see how this will all play out when it's negotiated with the EU.

It could hurt the Swiss economy massively, with duties on all Swiss good making them uncompetitive. In future there could be complications for Swiss living in other EU countries.

They'll need to re-establish all their border check points and stuff too.
 
There will be another vote, Switzerland May not be part of the EU but the EU gave them over a barrel in negotiations as a huge percentage of there trade is with the EU so the prospect of free trade being ended will have huge persuasive weight. The Swiss are about to find out you can't pick and choose which benefits of the EU you want!
 
a1ex2001 said:
There will be another vote, Switzerland May not be part of the EU but the EU gave them over a barrel in negotiations as a huge percentage of there trade is with the EU so the prospect of free trade being ended will have huge persuasive weight. The Swiss are about to find out you can't pick and choose which benefits of the EU you want!
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The Swiss are not complete tarts, they'll not be forced back to the polls over the issue by anything other than internal politics.
 
randal said:
Would have to leave the EU first, which means getting UKIP in because call-me-Dave isn't going to do it.

*shudder*
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They tried and the bill got killed the other day in the Lords. Only way now is to get a majority Conservative Government in the next election. UKIP can't do it as they won't win enough seats.
 
The higher ups now have to go to Brussels and talk about this as they think it's a short sited decision, which they do not agree with, but the voters voted for it, so they're in a difficult position.

Lots of things up in the air about what could happen really now.

Funnily enough the cantons which voted for the decision are the ones with the lowest rate of immigrants. Places like Zurich, Zug and Basel were all against the decision.
 
Storm3y said:
They tried and the bill got killed the other day in the Lords. Only way now is to get a majority Conservative Government in the next election. UKIP can't do it as they won't win enough seats.
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Dodgy dave already said we would have a vote ages ago but that never happened.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
The Swiss are not complete tarts, they'll not be forced back to the polls over the issue by anything other than internal politics.
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Internal politics driven by there massive reliance on trade with the EU? If the EU as they should do tell Switzerland that rejection of free movement will remove there access to the common market they will go back to the polls word it how you like but the EU will drive Switzerland's next steps.
 
deuse said:
Dodgy dave already said we would have a vote ages ago but that never happened.
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'Dodgy Dave' has promised a vote in the next parliamentary term assuming a conservative government in elected. There was no vote during this parliament as part of the deal with the Liberals that put Cameron in number 10 his hands are tied.

If you want someone to have a dig at try Labour who repeatedly promised referendums on the EU but despite having a massive majority failed to even deliver one on the Lisbon treaty.

I think there would be a big surprise for the Euro skeptics in the UK if we do ever get a referendum as many seem to assume a vote to reject the EU is guaranteed when in reality I think it would be a very close run thing.
 
Storm3y said:
Did he? Sure your not mistaken with future EU treaty's? He certainly never promised an IN / OUT referendum.
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I'm sure that in a tv debate on the bbc before the election he would give us the vote.
I think he came back with "it's not prudent at this time"

a1ex2001 said:
'Dodgy Dave' has promised a vote in the next parliamentary term assuming a conservative government in elected. There was no vote during this parliament as part of the deal with the Liberals that put Cameron in number 10 his hands are tied.

If you want someone to have a dig at try Labour who repeatedly promised referendums on the EU but despite having a massive majority failed to even deliver one on the Lisbon treaty.

I think there would be a big surprise for the Euro skeptics in the UK if we do ever get a referendum as many seem to assume a vote to reject the EU is guaranteed when in reality I think it would be a very close run thing.
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I'm having a go at no one. If there is a vote it's by by EU...thank god(if there is one)
 
randomshenans said:
Funnily enough the cantons which voted for the decision are the ones with the lowest rate of immigrants. Places like Zurich, Zug and Basel were all against the decision.
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I'm not up on my Swiss law, but in EU countries resident members from other EU countries can vote, so one would assume that EU foreigners (if given the right to vote) in Switzerland voted No to quotas.
 
There has never been any evidence that mass immigration is good for the economy. Its just federalism pushing multiculturalism and anti-nationalism down everyone's throats so that they can take over. Its far easier to take over a country once it has been saturated with foreigners.

The swiss were smart to not enter the eu and now they are smart at restricting mass immigration.

Name one benefit to being in the eu and i guarantee it is has externalities that lead to more problems and/or the original benefit does not actually exist its just a pipe dream.
 
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