Employer threatening to ban e-cigs...

The sense of entitlement is both hilarious and mystifying.

"NOT MY E-CIGS! I NEED THEM TO REPLACE THE OTHER ADDICTION I DEVELOPED OF MY OWN ACCORD! LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE THRIVING VAPID COMMUNITY!"
 
The only benefit is the fact that they wouldn't have to go down 30+ floors to stand outside, taking a break which lasts over 10 mins every hour or so. Thus saving over an hour a day of productivity (then again I argue that we're not productive for 8hrs a day anyway and a break is beneficial).

However, I don't think it should be allowed in the workplace - but then again people cause a fuss when you warm up "smelly" food in the microwave. Whilst they may not smell (I think they do have an odour) it for some reason doesn't sit comfortably with me in the workplace.

Ultimately it's down the employer, and as long as they're not doing anything illegal, challenge the decision by all means, but there's little point in aggravating the work environment.
 
They do have an odour and they are annoying... Take for instance a meeting room where everyone files in to listen to a presentation. It's early in the morning and everyone has a coffee but some jack *** - sorry vaper - has their e-cig and sits at the front... The vapour is now blocking my view of the slide. Okay this didn't happen in this setting, BUT I was at the cinema and this did happen.

On a side note and not sure if someone mentioned it... Do they pose a fire risk? (more so than other electronic equipment)
 
What a big deal. The employer can do what they want to so go and take your puff with the rest of the smokers.
 
E-Cig people, just make a hard boiled egg sandwich with fresh onion keep in air tight container for two days. Then open it in the office :)

On a serious note I've never seen so many moaners and they are all men(well so they say).
 
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Whilst in an ideal world we shouldn't need unions and I am not currently part of one
You're insane, not being part of a union is basically saying "I want my employer to give me a ****** deal on everything, my rights as an employee? Ha, no, I don't want any rights, take away my wages and stick on some shackles if you like"

Employers aren't going to give you a fair package out of the goodness of their heart, always have a union to look after your interests and negotiate a fair deal for both parties.

E-cigs are banned here, which I think is a little ridiculous because they don't bother/ harm anyone. It's just the anti smoking brigade quoting the usual drivvel "Oh, no one should derive pleasure from inhaling anything blah blah blah"

Trouble is, it's a government building where I work so it's not a specific policy, it's pretty much banned in all government buildings, plus we've got security stuff what with all the animal testing issues and such. So there's lots of restrictions in place.

Vicious defending of vaping, much the way heroin addicts defend their right to put that filth in their bodies, you all have one thing in common, you're all desperate junkies waiting for your next fix
No, I smoke, and I love smoking, I love sitting around smoking a lovely rollup in my conservatory, having a beer and listening to something offensive to christian fundie types.

Oh yeah, that's the stuff, delicious tobacco smoke. God damn it's good.
 
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I didn't mention the vapor itself, as I know it's pretty much just water. And thankfully I'm not a freak about breathing in second hand air so I don't have to worry about sighing. :)

Your statement regarding pens is just, I'm purely intrigued by it as I know sweet FA about vaping other than the blindingly obvious. For all I knew, they come with special little pouches with magical cleansing properties and disposable mouth pieces. :confused: ;)

Ah, in that case: No magical cleaning pouches that I'm aware of, though I think (well, would like to think!) most wipe their mouthpieces regularly. If anyone were overly concerned about it, on 2nd Gen and higher devices you can easily swap the mouthpiece (drip tip), so you could cycle through a number of them during the day and wash. So... really as hygienic as you want to make it, in essence.

Vicious defending of vaping, much the way heroin addicts defend their right to put that filth in their bodies, you all have one thing in common, you're all desperate junkies waiting for your next fix

Desperate craving junkies weak for a totally legal substance that is so completely outside of the level of social ramifications of heroin abuse that the comparison amounts to total idiocy. Yeah, that's cool. Perhaps many are quite passionate in defending something that managed to free them from cigarettes, and thus generated huge health gains in their lives, no?

That's fine, though. It's entirely your own personal right to look down upon and belittle anyone enjoying their time with perfectly legal, readily available, and harmful to nobody (pedantic: 'when used responsibly') drugs. Keep at it. The air of superiority complex makes for awesome impressions in all walks of life. Mind your blood pressure though; please.

Replacing a habit that harms you and everyone near you with one that doesn't is a major improvement. Everyone has habits. The point is harm, not habit.

My workplace initially banned e-cigs. After a while, they allowed them on a trial basis. Almost nobody objected, so they allowed them. Employees aren't allowed to vape in front of customers, but we're not allowed to do anything in front of customers so that's no different.

I think smoking should be illegal except in designated hovels only for smoking in, sealed from the outside world. If I could, I would drive around in a riot lorry with a water cannon filled with horse urine and hose smokers with it. Over and over again. And it still wouldn't be as bad as what they do.

I don't care about e-cigs. I don't care about the ones that look quite like cigarettes, because that doesn't make them cigarettes. Why should I care what they look like? How does that affect me? As long as the usage isn't dense enough or close enough to be a problem to me, I don't care. The vapour dissipates rapidly.

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You're insane, not being part of a union is basically saying "I want my employer to give me a deal on everything"

Employers aren't going to give you a fair package out of the goodness of their heart, always have a union to look after your interests and negotiate a fair deal for both parties.

The trick is to make yourself invaluable to the employer, then it's up to them to offer 'enough' to keep you there. In essence, you dictate the terms based on your own issues. And you don't need to pay to do it.
 
Vaping has had a massive impact for me and the time I leave a pub at the weekend.
3 of my band members are smokers so as soon as the set finished at say 12:05am they would be outside for 15 minutes. They would come back in, pack away for a bit and then back out for another 15 minutes which meant a lengthy pack away time. All 3 now vape so as soon as they finish the set they have a quick vape while packing away and we can be done for 12:30am. I don't give a toss about a tiny bit of vape smoke in the air.
 
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The sense of entitlement is both hilarious and mystifying.

"NOT MY E-CIGS! I NEED THEM TO REPLACE THE OTHER ADDICTION I DEVELOPED OF MY OWN ACCORD! LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE THRIVING VAPID COMMUNITY!"

I think there's a double-discussion going on here. In the workplace, sure, your humourous outburst example is just... not going to work. You aren't entitled to anything in the workplaces. The rules are the rules. Step outside, mate. :D

On the other side, though, outside of the workplace there really are no reasons beyond someone saying "I don't like how it looks... damned junkies" to remove it. In which case, your comedic take/put-down is absurd. As long as nicotine remains legal, there's no justification for stopping public use.

Just wondering which angle your comment is coming from, as it appears to be a blanket statement for all walks of life.

They do have an odour and they are annoying... Take for instance a meeting room where everyone files in to listen to a presentation. It's early in the morning and everyone has a coffee but some jack *** - sorry vaper - has their e-cig and sits at the front... The vapour is now blocking my view of the slide. Okay this didn't happen in this setting, BUT I was at the cinema and this did happen.

On a side note and not sure if someone mentioned it... Do they pose a fire risk? (more so than other electronic equipment)

Vaping in the cinema is just one of the pinnacles of douchebaggery, in my opinion. Never, ever, ever. What a total plonker.

In terms of safety, they're no less safe than anything else containing a Lithium-Ion battery. Buy cheap crap from China and it might just go pop, like the various stories of iPhone beside explosions due to cheap knockoff chargers, etc.

Is there conclusive evidence published to prove that e-cigs are safe to users and those around them?

Multiple conclusive, published analyses of the effects and constituents of vapour in an enclosed space. The risk is so minimal that it's been decided not to use it in consideration for restrictions. The focus there now is on the "renormalisation of smoking behaviour" -- which is horrendously absurd in itself -- with an additional focus on "protecting the children", which we all know is the last bastion of desperate people with no solid point. Funnily enough, that's likely to get very silent too if the anti movement manage to get Pharmaceutical regulations enforced. In which case, the exact same (almost) technology and juice will be perfectly fine for mass consumption -- solely because you're buying it from them at a hiked up cost. In my mind, that says it all regarding how safe they are.
 
Smell bad? They smell like whatever flavour you have. Most people I know say they like the smell of my caramel tobacco.

and some smell terrible

As for other point, my workplace don't ban the use of personal mobile phones or chatting to colleagues which both take you away from work too. Shall we ban people ban eating or drinking tea/coffe too as last time I checked that mug and sandwich don't levitate themselves and require the use of at least one hand.


No wonder nothing gets done in our public sector every single one of those things is banned at our place except at break times. except for talking to each other of course as thats vital for work to progress.
 
"It stinks, they should vape outside."
"Bloody smokers and vapers, always getting free breaks outside and being unproductive."

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

There are people at my work that wear horrendous smelling aftershave, or have really annoying and distracting laughs, but neither are banned.

Also, the "vapers are just attention seeking" things is lolworthy, why do some people have such a vendetta against it?

I say this as someone who has never vaped, has been around vapers, and hasn't smoked a cig in 5 years.
 
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