Employer threatening to ban e-cigs...
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and yes i take your point. but its a good way to describe a group of people who are determined to remove anything that could be misconstrued as harmful but with a side objective that is just to remove anything that implies individuality. hence i do think its is a lefty agenda and a passive-fascist (ok control freak if thats better) way of thinking that exists in england today.
so lets call them Lefty control freaks ?
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This brings the question: Why?
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That's cool.
I just find it very perplexing how vast numbers of people seem incapable to distance nicotine use from smoking. While the two are, of course, inextricably linked and embedded by history, they are not one and the same.
Vaping isn't smoking just as chewing nicotine gum isn't smoking. Saying "Yeah, but you're still a smoker" to someone who regularly chews nic gum for an extended period of time but hasn't touched a single piece of tobacco is ridiculously disingenuous, and legitmiately feels that way when said. But because vaping looks similar, it's an easy target for fallacies.
When your particular choice of vice isn't harming you or anyone else, then by all means have at it. Nicotine is no different, and people making use of an alternative that lets them enjoy what they want while not being a harmful social miscreant is obviously a good thing in the wider sense, no?
Many people do things we as individuals don't see the point or enjoyment in, but they are absolutely free to do so as long as it does no harm. That's the real world, a free and open society, and people really do need to open their minds and embrace the positive rather than continuing banging on a drum that's already split. We pilloried smokers into the ground on the basis of the harm their activity was causing, and now that the harm is gone for those who have switched and still want to enjoy their vice we jump on the bandwagon and continue instead of stepping back and realising that there's no legitimate reason to do so anymore. It's moved from the arena of "You're doing me harm, please stop it" to "I disapprove of the way you choose to live," like the latter holds some kind of actual credence.
Someone used the word earlier in the thread, so I'll repeat it here: That's ******* retarded.
Good post! It's similar to people getting all uppity about gay marriage. It doesn't impact you, so mind your own business!
Everybody is different, and many are very susceptible to addication in general, be it nicotine, caffeine, or even the internet. Cold turkey isn't easy for everyone.
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All people should strive to not be dependant on any substance.
I'm only regarding the nicotine part, vape all the flavours you'd like, but a substance which is addictive and has no positive influence on the body should be banned
Why do it in the first place?
I can't see much benefit of nicotine, unless I'm missing something.
There is the saving money aspect that should be considered.
Sugar is currently doing the country more harm thatn nicotine on it's own (ie, without smoke being the delivery method).
I feel the same way about skydiving, or going to football matches.
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yeah, then try not eat sugar in excess.
My post was 2 separate parts really, the answer to 'why' because no one should let themselves be dependant, it's no way to live.
second part was a sort of 'hippy perfect world' scenario, we don't NEED refined sugar, but it's cost effective and tastes so dam good
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Neither does fast foods you could argue, among many other food types.
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Feels good, brah.
Why do anything in the first place? Why eat a bag of Monster Much? Why drink beer? Why eat fried foods?
Because people enjoy them, and cause no problem doing so (let's not be excessive and get into the obesity 'epidemic' -- that's for another time!
)People spend their money on all kinds of frivolous things throughout life. The point is: that's entirely their right. I don't see the point in trainspotting or stamp collecting, but I'm not going to start banging on to someone who does about their choices being wrong. Someone's personal addictions are not an issue until they become an issue. Why is something inherently negative when it's not causing a problem?
It confuses me very much.
Skydiving sounds fun, but personally i'd be crap scared to do it for countless reasons of potential death.
Football is boring and a complete waste of human time IMO. But then I'm a Ice Hockey fan, so the same could be said about that too.
I see your point though, they are what people consider fun, people might get genuine excitement from smoking........
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Feels good, brah.
Why do anything in the first place? Why eat a bag of Monster Much? Why drink beer? Why eat fried foods?
Because people enjoy them, and cause no problem doing so (let's not be excessive and get into the obesity 'epidemic' -- that's for another time!
People spend their money on all kinds of frivolous things throughout life. The point is: that's entirely their right. I don't see the point in trainspotting or stamp collecting, but I'm not going to start banging on to someone who does about their choices being wrong. Someone's personal addictions are not an issue until they become an issue. Why is something inherently negative when it's not causing a problem?
It confuses me very much.
I completely agree.
Real party guy huh?
Ahh the thought process of 'You can only have a party if you taking something addictive'.
Come on you can't really think that.
Ahh the thought process of 'You can only have a party if you taking something addictive'.
Come on you can't really think that.
Was more the attitude tbh.
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I am confused why people are so happy to give away freedoms rather than live with the minor inconveniences they bring. I understand that a non-smoker might happily give up the right to smoke but when another group start on the booze, then another on fox hunting, etc. where does it end ?
Why don't some people cherish freedom ?
Why don't some people cherish freedom ?
BAN EVERYTHING