Microsoft needs to admit the Xbox One Kinect is a peripheral, not a pack-in (warning linkenrun)

Wait, what? You don't need to pick up the controller to turn the console on, and why would you look like a tit?

He was saying you still need to pick up the controller if you want to actually play something, otherwise what's the piont in just turning it on.

This is exactly what I meant.

But you only need the controller if you want to play a game....and then only if that game requires a controller input to play it...

Are we really going to have this discussion? It's primary feature is the gaming component, nobody would buy one of these purely for the media capabilities.
 
I do think they need to release a Kinect-less X1 to compete with Sony.
Part of the reason why I chose a PS4 over the X1 was because of the price of the X1 and the fact that I have 0% interest in Kinect.
 
Polygon were the site that reviewed the Xbone as being better than the PS4, much to the delight of the MS fanboys, I wonder what they'll make of this?

That's the Polygon way. Go against the grain initially, then contradict themselves with an 'opposing view' at a later date. How else would a game they rated 7.5 go on to be placed fourth in their Games of the Year feature.
 
I think it was a serious mistake by MS to force every consumer to pay for Kinect. Not everyone is going to want it. Personally I have literally zero interest in Kinect, motion based games, voice control, voice/camera chat...etc, so the fact that I was being forced to pay for something I simply did not want instantly put me off the One and turned me to PS4.
 
The whole pitch was about the 'One' for one machine to do everything. If they wanted it to do everything then they damn well should've made sure it could do everything when they launched it.

Rushed. Not just MS - both consoles were rushed just to get them out there.
I dont disagree about it being rushed but it was either last holiday period or this one and neither were in that bad a shape to wait nearly another year (dont think us lot would have wanted to wait another year).

Both lack features weve grown accustomed to but I think most of that was intended, either to never have that feature or to roll it out post launch as getting basic functionality was enough.

Its obvious where MS should go from here to me, but Im not sure I want them to do it or how quickly they could 'turn it around' :p. They cant put out a hardware revision and they cant drop Kinect, **** me what a position - they just need to throw money and get exclusives hand over fist while getting their first parties engaged...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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But you only need the controller if you want to play a game....and then only if that game requires a controller input to play it...
That's what I said? You need a controller to play a game. His point was what's the point in turning the XBox on with voice if you don't intend on actually using it, to use it to play a game you need a controller 99% of the time.
 
Ps4 also has voice command inputs, they didn't force anything additional onto consumers.

MS have a plan for kinect the problem is I don't think they realise that the majority don't care or even like it.

They are trying to re invent the wheel. Sony on the other hand listened to developers when designing their console.

Did any of you watch the video in the link? That is hilarious. "Xbox turn off" gamer tag and trolling people.
 
Oh...hi click bait article...didn't see you there, except for the headline.

I think it's a bit unfair to call it click-bait when he raises several very valid negatives about the kinect and justifies his opinion eloquently.

Historically I'd always thought of polygon as being more MS leaning than Sony (anecdotally), so it's interesting to see them being more critical of MS this generation.
 
EDIT: I dont get the mentality of forcing an accessory on the consumer because its your vision, why cant you make the accessory so useful that consumers have to go out and buy it? Why was it the consumers fault if Kinect support lived or died?

ps3ud0 :cool:
This is excatly what I said in another thread. If Kinect is so great then everyone would buy it anyway, MS shouldn't need to force it on the buyer.
 
I think it's a bit unfair to call it click-bait when he raises several very valid negatives about the kinect and justifies his opinion eloquently.

Historically I'd always thought of polygon as being more MS leaning than Sony (anecdotally), so it's interesting to see them being more critical of MS this generation.

They didn't raise any of them in the review of the system.
Polygon do this to get clicks, they always do the "opposite" or many others with big bold headlines to get noticed.

Truth is, no one here knows how Kinect will work out, I'm astonished how this is still a thing to be talking about, we haven't even started in this gen of consoles and people are calling it, I imagine their many other big features to come to it but as both where rushed neither of them got to fully implement their big ideas.
 
The true question of how necessary kinect is would be to offer a rebate if you sent it back to Microsoft, would you send your Kinect back for £100? I'm guessing most would jump at it!

The fact is, kinect failed the first time around when they aggressively pushed it as a games controller. That E3 a few years back where they showed nothing but kinect dross was terrible.

Now its a forced purchase they are pushing it as a media controller & hoping devs will do something fantastic with it... The cost of including it with their console has meant MS had to cut back on the GPU & RAM.
 
Sales of the first Kinect were good but ultimately there were no good games for it.

The general consensus was that we all bought into it and yet it failed to deliver, probably why they forced us to have it the second time around.

I bought one and it got exactly the same treatment as the Wii console, great for party games or with the kids but then packed away and unused the majority of the time.
 
I agree that it should be a seperate purchase, I also agree that MS are pushing it as they have a 'vision'.

They had a similar vision with Windows 8 and its touch UI though, the trouble is nobody outside of Microsoft HQ seems to want their visions.

If Microsoft are hell-bent on making Kinect the future then they should just subsidise it themselves and throw it inside the box free of charge, it's not like they don't have the financial clout to cover it.

Totally agree with everything said in the article but surprised at the source.

Polygon were the site that reviewed the Xbone as being better than the PS4, much to the delight of the MS fanboys, I wonder what they'll make of this?

They've probably been given the job of softening Xbox One users up before another 180. :p
 
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