What are the origins of the Northen Ireland loyalists?

OhEsEcks · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:28

Tefal said:
on the ww2 thingt didnt the IRA side with the nazis and bomb various parts of england at the start of the war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_–_Abwehr_collaboration_in_World_War_II

setter · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:29

Tefal said:
on the ww2 thingt didnt the IRA side with the nazis and bomb various parts of england at the start of the war?

There was indeed contact between the german intelligence service and the ira in the years leading upto the war and for a time during it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Republican_Army_–_Abwehr_collaboration_in_World_War_II

Nutella33 · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:32

But it was entirely minimal and nothing like the threat posed during WW1

setter · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:37

Nutella33 said:
But it was entirely minimal and nothing like the threat posed during WW1

True, particularly with the easter rising in 1916. Strangely a time when more men from southern ireland were fighting in the british army than there were from the north of ireland.

Dyson · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:41

adolf hamster said:
yeah, like i said boils down to the english, i feel entitled to say this given i'm a cornishman by birth and therefore not [entirely] biased. northern irish politics these days is a mystery to me although i'll confess it makes for some great comedy material.

I'm confused. Are you saying you're not English, you're Cornish?

OhEsEcks · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:42

Dyson said:
I'm confused. Are you saying you're not English, you're Cornish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_independence_movement

adolf hamster · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:43

Dyson said:
I'm confused. Are you saying you're not English, you're Cornish?

are you local?

Dyson · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:48

OhEsEcks said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_independence_movement

Hope that's a joke...

adolf hamster said:
are you local?

Yes, ish, Dorset

Krisali · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:52

The Romans got as far as Ireland and deemed it unworthy of conquest.

Disclaimer: this post is not entirely helpful.

OhEsEcks · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:56

Krisali said:
The Romans got as far as Ireland and deemed it unworthy of conquest.

Disclaimer: this post is not entirely helpful.

They got as far as Scotland and built a wall to keep the Scoti from coming through there. That there was sea between Ireland and the mainland was a bonus. It would have required a much longer wall.

scorza · 27 Feb 2014 at 18:59

Krisali said:
The Romans got as far as Ireland and deemed it unworthy of conquest.

Disclaimer: this post is not entirely helpful.

William the Conquerer decided to take a closer look though. Dunno why the Irish don't hate the French more than the English

gpuerrilla · 27 Feb 2014 at 19:07

Krisali said:
The Romans got as far as Ireland and deemed it unworthy of conquest.

Disclaimer: this post is not entirely helpful.

scorza · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:11

Moses said:
An old form tutor stood for the Cornish independence party, Mebyon Kernow, way back when. I think it was 2005... the summer I left sixth form.

Edit :: or they just want devolution... (for now... )

I don't blame 'em. The Cornish get royally shafted by virtue of being part of England. The poorest English county but the highest property prices outside of London (or something).

Nutella33 · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:17

unless they are planning to chisel themselves free of the rest of the country no form of independence would sort that out

adolf hamster · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:24

Nutella33 said:
unless they are planning to chisel themselves free of the rest of the country no form of independence would sort that out

too busy digging out a sinkhole under the ginsters factory

prices are high thanks to holiday homes owned by the rest of england and the county's been poor ever since the mining packed up. not the best combo

Edrof · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:25

scorza said:
William the Conquerer decided to take a closer look though. Dunno why the Irish don't hate the French more than the English

He was a Norman, not a Frenchman.

Cuchulain · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:30

ITT people who know absolutely **** all about the history of ireland ....

Nutella33 · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:44

Enlighten us, please, I beg of you oh wandering wiseman. With a swish of your cloak dispense with the ye olde ancient knowledge.

Cuchulain · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:48

Nutella33 said:
Enlighten us, please, I beg of you oh wandering wiseman. With a swish of your cloak dispense with the ye olde ancient knowledge.

Despite your terrible attempt at sarcasm, let's start with Ireland gaining independence during the second world war rather than in 1916 ..

Nutella33 · 27 Feb 2014 at 20:50

Ah you mean the one poster that was already corrected several times throughout the thread?

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