do you think an 18 week jail sentence is enough for this?

Giant tortoise > Human ??
And a parrot. Perhaps you could also argue the effect on others. Perhaps if the human had lots of friends. But animals also make social bonds. Depends on the individuals in question.

But you also have to take into account the good they do for the world. If neither the animal or human were your friends. The human might cure cancer. Animal is less likely to do so.

It's complicated really. If it was your dog or a stranger would you save your dog? What if the guy had kids? What if the dog was a guide dog.

Either way I think animal life isn't given the respect it deserves. I am glad the UK and it's people place animals quite highly compared to some countries but we still have a way to go.
 
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I sure as **** don't! My thirty one years existence surrounded by my fellow species hasn't been a positive one at all.

I have thought about this exact scenario a few times and I would go in order of child, cat, adult.

Whle I am sorry to hear your life has either been mis-spent or unfortunate, your answer seems to indicate that humans are more important to you than animals.

A life is a life at the end of the day. A cat has the same capacity to be happy and sad or to feel or not feel pain. It doesn't really matter that we are more intelligent. The fact that humans have a longer lifespan is a reason to put a human life over an animal. Or obviously if the human if your offspring or a friend etc.

A cat has the same capacity for emotion as a human? Jesus wept, sometimes I think this forum is full of people who never made it past primary school levels of education. Shocking.
 
Whle I am sorry to hear your life has either been mis-spent or unfortunate, your answer seems to indicate that humans are more important to you than animals.



A cat has the same capacity for emotion as a human? Jesus wept, sometimes I think this forum is full of people who never made it past primary school levels of education. Shocking.

Ofcourse it does. Jesus wept.

I had 2 cats that were brothers and very close. One died and the other mourned for weeks and was clearly very upset and unhappy.
 
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was this in the uk? an equally ****ed up punishment

There was another case in the UK where some old man was murdered by two chavs in the street in a similar scenario and they got 3 and 4 years respectively. Some countries would give a higher sentence for animal cruelty!
 
There was another case in the UK where some old man was murdered by two chavs in the street in a similar scenario and they got 3 and 4 years respectively. Some countries would give a higher sentence for animal cruelty!

something similar happened in a town called kidderminster near me. some lads punched a middle aged bloke, he hit his head on the curb and was on life support which was switched off. the killer will be out before he's 25.
 
Ofcourse it does. Jesus wept.

I had 2 cats that were brothers and very close. One died and the other mourned for weeks and was clearly very upset and unhappy.

+1

Basic Human Emotions (Anger, Fear, And Yes, Love and Hate!) are typically associated with various neurotransmitters and hormones (Oxytocin, Cortisol, Adrenaline etc, etc)

Neither basic brain structure nor these neurotransmitters are unique to Humans!

All Mammals certainly, possibly other animals too (Reptiles? Birds?), that use the same neurotransmitters and possess similar brain structure will, ISTM, experience similar basic emotions. Emotions are after all how one makes decisions in the absence of abstract thought and a lot of even human decisions are made at an emotional rather than an abstract level!

Now, Humans DO have special cogitative abilities that are likely to be unique to our species, or at least in the degree to which we are able to use them (In particular an ability to look into the future and utilise abstract concepts) which means that our experience of emotion is likely to be rather different to that of (Most #! ) other animals but I am certain that the greeting that I get from my Cat or Dog when I come home after being out all day is just as strong an emotional experience, and a very similar one at that, as the one I might get from my Human family members.

Frankly, I find it astonishing that anybody might even think that this might not be the case!

(# Dolphins in captivity, will, on occasion become depressed and will commit suicide by deliberately drowning themselves! It may seem like an odd definition, but ISTM that only a fully "Self Aware" creature would have the ability to deliberately kill itself!)
 
Now, Humans DO have special cogitative abilities
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(In particular an ability to look into the future and utilise abstract concepts)

Apes can understand the concept of a future event (source, no idea, something I was watching recently)

I'm not sure how abstract their sign language ever became, pretty sure it was just feed me banana, vote liberal, etc
 
Send him back to fight some Afghans and they'll give him a good kicking. Typical soldier boy, cowardly **** attacking only poor, defenceless people or animals.
 
Apes can understand the concept of a future event (source, no idea, something I was watching recently)

I'm not sure how abstract their sign language ever became, pretty sure it was just feed me banana, vote liberal, etc


Thats what I meant about degree. I suspect that the human ability to look years into the future is a unique one!

(Though all complex animals must have some ability to do so! Big complex animals can't survive simply as machines running basic inherited algorithms)

Though the dolphins must come close!

(Suicide requires not only self awareness but also a concept of the future. In particular an idea that the future is indefinite and will never get better!)
 
If you killed someone in self defense of your cat how does the law stand?

Reduced sentence for duress or +years for being a nutter?
 
Really?

so all the people that have their animals killed because they're sick or hurt have a deficit of character?
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I assumed the meaning of the statement was pretty obvious.

Euthanizing a pet for isn't what happened in the story, call me cynical but I doubt he was a trained vet.
 
(Suicide requires not only self awareness but also a concept of the future. In particular an idea that the future is indefinite and will never get better!)
In Karen Blixen's book she talked about some African tribe and the problems they ran into when faced with a colonial justice system.
If jailed for whatever reason they had no concept or understanding of a date when they would be released, to them the jail cell was permanent, so in fact many simply lost the will to live and died.
 
Send him back to fight some Afghans and they'll give him a good kicking. Typical soldier boy, cowardly **** attacking only poor, defenceless people or animals.

Because the Taliban aren't cowardly and don't kill defenseless women, children or anything else that does not match their screwy ideals :rolleyes:


British soldiers on the whole are nothing like the parasite in the story and do not kill innocents, very few bad apples in a very professional and respected organisation.
 
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