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The Console Market Is In Crisis: Hardcore gamers better off with high end gaming PC than the current
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This article in no way reflects my opinion, just sharing the article.
One thing that confuses me is.. Isn't the PS4 the fastest selling console yet?
One thing that confuses me is.. Isn't the PS4 the fastest selling console yet?
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That article is tosh...
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Should I be the first one that predicts the death of console gaming? 
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The lack of a good console with Nintendo has really hurt the market. Look how many Wii and gameboys were sold in 2006 compared to 2014, I doubt theres a link between between the gap between console gpu' s and same generation pc gpu's.
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Maybe the Gadget show need to do a piece on this instead of Desktops dying 
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As much as I'd like to believe that, I don't.
This is also the first time in a console's history where you have to tempt the existing userbase away from their current machine with pretty much only the offer of better/exclusive content.
Before the Xbox 360 and PS3 the online function and downloadable content didn't really exist. Now you have your profile and your games which increase the longevity of your machine. Not to mention AAA titles being released on the previous Gen. Throw into it the economic state and you've got a pretty tough market to launch new consoles in.
While for sure there is a small userbase that will make a shift to a PC I don't think it is remotely big enough to be the reason for this, most of the console gamers won't even know or be interested in the fact there are faster GPUs out there.
Before the Xbox 360 and PS3 the online function and downloadable content didn't really exist. Now you have your profile and your games which increase the longevity of your machine. Not to mention AAA titles being released on the previous Gen. Throw into it the economic state and you've got a pretty tough market to launch new consoles in.
While for sure there is a small userbase that will make a shift to a PC I don't think it is remotely big enough to be the reason for this, most of the console gamers won't even know or be interested in the fact there are faster GPUs out there.
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Maybe the Gadget show need to do a piece on this instead of Desktops dying
Lol.
Yeah it's a good point. also back then the PS2 was still selling well also. Right now the older consoles seem to have tapered off, with PS4 and Xbox1 getting the most. Nintendo sales are right down in comparison, that seems to be where the large deficit is..
I do think we'll see a resurgence in PC gaming next year with all the new tech and operating systems, but also think Playstation and Xbox will see big numbers as well. Maybe the current economy is playing a part as well. A lot of family's might see the PS3 and Xbox 360 as 'good enough' and be waiting for more games and price drops..
Its not in crisis but 2 years ago PC GPU's were ahead of what the console leftovers are now 
Anyone who is a hardcore gamer will now be on a gaming PC & tablet/smartphones/laptops are also a big player now for casual gaming (which probably used to be on Xbox Live Arcade (until MS drove most developers away with their greed & lack of empathy)).
I think this time around the PC is going to emerge as the only serious contender & MS especially are going to suffer a lot more than Sony.
MS when you think about it are throwing a lot of money away all they had to do was embrace the PC as a gaming machine make their XB1 & 360 exclusives for it enhance them & reap the rewards instead they have allowed Valve to dominate PC gaming & thrown away any realistic chance of ever having much success in PC gaming despite owning both the OS & Direct X behind most PC games.
Anyone who is a hardcore gamer will now be on a gaming PC & tablet/smartphones/laptops are also a big player now for casual gaming (which probably used to be on Xbox Live Arcade (until MS drove most developers away with their greed & lack of empathy)).
I think this time around the PC is going to emerge as the only serious contender & MS especially are going to suffer a lot more than Sony.
MS when you think about it are throwing a lot of money away all they had to do was embrace the PC as a gaming machine make their XB1 & 360 exclusives for it enhance them & reap the rewards instead they have allowed Valve to dominate PC gaming & thrown away any realistic chance of ever having much success in PC gaming despite owning both the OS & Direct X behind most PC games.
PS3 launched at a bad time too, HDR+AA was not fixed until the glorious G80 (8800) and PS3 had a 7800GTX. If you will recall, the hot button issue on forums back then was HDR+AA in Oblivion and the "Chuck patch" from ATI which enabled it while Nvidia users had to wait for a new gen.
If PS3 had G80 then wow, what could have been.
If PS3 had G80 then wow, what could have been.
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Can't play Infamous, MLB The Show, Gran Turismo and Uncharted on my PC. Consoles won't die off anytime soon.
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PS4 is selling faster than the PS3 by a significant margin and less product shortage issues. Though those are ultimately the biggest factor in most early sales.
XB1 sales do seem lower, and that is because the PS4 is seen by so many people as categorically better. The PS3/xbox one, still to this day it's hard to physically compare them, one was more difficult to code for and they have different cpu's/gpus. This generation you can compare them almost directly and while Xbox tries the "edram is sooo good" route most people go 1.2tlfops vs 1.84tflops.... errm, win?
I wouldn't be surprised if Xb 1 numbers are down after the first couple months, PS4 doesn't appear to be and is selling great. Handheld devices have been selling well but moving ahead most people are going to opt for and stick with smartphones for convenience, cost and relatively close levels in performance.
Wii U, tanking, Wii sales had been tanking for quite a while as the fad wore off. A huge portion of people who had a 360/ps3 will get a new gen console while I think fraction of people who had a Wii will buy a Wii U. I mean, Ps4 has outsold the Wii U already, ouch.
The "console" market might in fact shrink, but so what, that doesn't mean the PS4 will make any less money, nor the games released on it, nor the ones made for the X1.
In terms of performance, meh, the only possibility for this gen was SOC's, that was a monumental disadvantage in terms of how much they could fit on a single die, so the performance they got on an integrated die is huge. Likewise tflops console to desktop can't be directly compared. Even with low level API like Mantle, the APi's on consoles are lower and have unified memory which is worth another chunk of performance. I'd say it's closer to double the performance. but the last gen consoles were superseded by the 2900xt/8800 in short note and had half the effective performance as they do now anyway.
The highest end gpu's at the time the consoles came out didn't use 250W, it's a completely different market on desktop gpu's where 300W became the limit since the last consoles launched.
The consoles launched with effectively the same power as the 120-150W cards of the time, and have roughly speaking done so this gen. It happens that at the time a 120W card was a x1900xtx, highest end of the gen and the consoles were around that power level(but with improved architecture and low level API).
XB1 sales do seem lower, and that is because the PS4 is seen by so many people as categorically better. The PS3/xbox one, still to this day it's hard to physically compare them, one was more difficult to code for and they have different cpu's/gpus. This generation you can compare them almost directly and while Xbox tries the "edram is sooo good" route most people go 1.2tlfops vs 1.84tflops.... errm, win?
I wouldn't be surprised if Xb 1 numbers are down after the first couple months, PS4 doesn't appear to be and is selling great. Handheld devices have been selling well but moving ahead most people are going to opt for and stick with smartphones for convenience, cost and relatively close levels in performance.
Wii U, tanking, Wii sales had been tanking for quite a while as the fad wore off. A huge portion of people who had a 360/ps3 will get a new gen console while I think fraction of people who had a Wii will buy a Wii U. I mean, Ps4 has outsold the Wii U already, ouch.
The "console" market might in fact shrink, but so what, that doesn't mean the PS4 will make any less money, nor the games released on it, nor the ones made for the X1.
In terms of performance, meh, the only possibility for this gen was SOC's, that was a monumental disadvantage in terms of how much they could fit on a single die, so the performance they got on an integrated die is huge. Likewise tflops console to desktop can't be directly compared. Even with low level API like Mantle, the APi's on consoles are lower and have unified memory which is worth another chunk of performance. I'd say it's closer to double the performance. but the last gen consoles were superseded by the 2900xt/8800 in short note and had half the effective performance as they do now anyway.
The highest end gpu's at the time the consoles came out didn't use 250W, it's a completely different market on desktop gpu's where 300W became the limit since the last consoles launched.
The consoles launched with effectively the same power as the 120-150W cards of the time, and have roughly speaking done so this gen. It happens that at the time a 120W card was a x1900xtx, highest end of the gen and the consoles were around that power level(but with improved architecture and low level API).
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I can't imagine it would score very high even I it could
Maybe 2600k / 7850 type range lol. Then again once it's been stripped to its core who knows.
I've seen a lot of comments from devs that the tool kits need to come along way before 1080p is going to be possible on XBONE. That to me doesn't bode considering we are at the starting line. Sure, they will get better, and we will see games start to shine but at it's very peak surely it should be capable of running at 1080p. PC gaming is regaining lost ground but I don't think it has anything to do with poor XBONE PS4 sales.
Maybe 2600k / 7850 type range lol. Then again once it's been stripped to its core who knows.
I've seen a lot of comments from devs that the tool kits need to come along way before 1080p is going to be possible on XBONE. That to me doesn't bode considering we are at the starting line. Sure, they will get better, and we will see games start to shine but at it's very peak surely it should be capable of running at 1080p. PC gaming is regaining lost ground but I don't think it has anything to do with poor XBONE PS4 sales.
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Those numbers also don't show the impact of phones and tablets are having on casual gaming.
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Sounds like there is no news in PC/Console world.
Considering they are pretty much aimed at non-hardcore gamers and pick up and play generation, I would have thought a 'hardcore gamer' would have both or be playing their rather expensive PC hardware...
Considering they are pretty much aimed at non-hardcore gamers and pick up and play generation, I would have thought a 'hardcore gamer' would have both or be playing their rather expensive PC hardware...