Homeschooling - Thoughts as a parent or child with experience?

I expect my kids to be taught in school - not have to do it myself at home. Too much to ask for teachers to do their job I guess.
 
That's nice there are also lots of other things in Australia too. And your average Australian will laugh them out of town. Unlike you I've worked in Australia (Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane) and they have this remarkable ability to really take the proverbial out of anything like that.

10 years of posting on here, sure I'll be fine :p
 
So you've said many times before by the way shouldn't you both be in New Zealand/Australia now because she was so prolific in her field she was being snapped up like 2 years ago? + You can get a university level in Klingon these days which is about as much use as alternative education in the modern job market.

I also thought this: the appeal to authority gets quite tiring after a while.

LateX'dog: are you saying, honestly, that your wife is a prolific researcher of education (I'll not say Educational Psychologist because we've had this debate before) and favors the Steiner / Montessori approaches? This isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious.
 
10 years of posting on here, sure I'll be fine :p

Yes, I am sure you will but we are not talking about you are we - we are talking about a young, fragile and sensitive young child who will already be marked as different because of her origin. Fine it's your kid - but it's their future. For once think about it from all angles don't be the next equivalent of the 'tard parent who didn't give their kid the MMR or gave them a high fibre diet because it was so middle-class and righton.
 
LateX'dog: are you saying, honestly, that your wife is a prolific researcher of education (I'll not say Educational Psychologist because we've had this debate before) and favors the Steiner / Montessori approaches? This isn't a dig, I'm genuinely curious.

Yes. Not just Steiner / Montessori, but home schooling too.

She's enrolled our son in a Montessori Nursery.
 
Yes, I am sure you will but we are not talking about you are we - we are talking about a young, fragile and sensitive young child who will already be marked as different because of her origin. Fine it's your kid - but it's their future. For once think about it from all angles don't be the next equivalent of the 'tard parent who didn't give their kid the MMR or gave them a high fibre diet because it was so middle-class and righton.

Yeah it is their future, which is why I'm providing them with the tools to make of it as they will. Independent learning, creativity, imagination and a passion of learning are all things he'll need to choose his own path.

Sitting in a chair being barked at by some failed undergrad is not something i feel will help him choose his own path.
 
I expect my kids to be taught in school - not have to do it myself at home. Too much to ask for teachers to do their job I guess.

They are doing their job. You are a dad - you have to do your job too. Going to leave sex-education, drugs education for the school too? Are you going to leave all their careers advice to the school too?

They will be expected to do work out of school - that's the system. Do you want to be the dad that was fondly remembered as supporting and encouraging their child guiding down unexplored paths or do you want to be the dad whose child turns round to their partner in 30 years saying I want to do this right because my dad didn't give a royal ****.

So what will you do if you child is ill not give them medicine because it's the doctors bleedin' job to do that innit?
 
Yeah it is their future, which is why I'm providing them with the tools to make of it as they will. Independent learning, creativity, imagination and a passion of learning are all things he'll need to choose his own path.

Sitting in a chair being barked at by some failed undergrad is not something i feel will help him choose his own path.

If they were a failed undergrad how would they get the necessary qualifications to become a teacher in a profession that is largely entered by those holding 1st and 2:1 degrees according to all available current metrics?

Independent learning and creativity and imagination and a passion for learning strangely enough were not on the top of the criteria I assess by. I strangely enough still look for educational attainment from reputable establishments. Sure I'll miss some gems but I don't get any stinkers either.
 
I feel that unless you're an exceptionally talented person, it will be extremely difficult to offer your child the balanced education they need.

Admittedly, it maybe no worse that what they currently get at school.

Also, although it is possible to socialise your children outside of school, the experience of school, and time away from parents, dose allow children to develop their independence and close social bonds that would be difficult in other environments.

My personal opinion is, if you think the school is failing your child, find another school.
 
As a sixth form teacher I have taught quite a few home schooled children and to be honest they all suffer from the same problems.

* They struggle socially
* They struggle with the demands of an organised day
* They struggle massively with independence both on an academic and personal level
* They struggle with the demands of an A-level course.

If a child can be at school, then they absolutely should be in my opinion.

I expect my kids to be taught in school - not have to do it myself at home. Too much to ask for teachers to do their job I guess.

Obvious troll but for the record it's this kind of attitude that is the biggest problem in my job. It's depressing how many parents I come across who don't care what goes on with their child's education. It's no coincidence that it is those kids who lack discipline and organisation.

Education starts in the home, not at school.
 
If they were a failed undergrad how would they get the necessary qualifications to become a teacher in a profession that is largely entered by those holding 1st and 2:1 degrees according to all available current metrics?

2:2 is arguably classed as a fail.

Independent learning and creativity and imagination and a passion for learning strangely enough were not on the top of the criteria I assess by. I strangely enough still look for educational attainment from reputable establishments. Sure I'll miss some gems but I don't get any stinkers either.

My wife brought home some scripts to mark, it was a simple experiment where they just had to write a report based of it.

Now a bit of a quick background, to get on the course you need 4 A's at A level and even then you might still get turned away.

Now around 30-40% of the pupils forgot to put a title, incorrectly laid out their work, failed to supply the correct tables and much more. The layout, title and tables they should use where given to them in the lecture. So not only where they told what to write, they still failed to write it correctly.

To top it off, you had one person who wrote an experiment where one of the possible problems with her experiment was the participants where on swivel chairs.

They are constantly asking if this will be on the test, they get upset when you can't offer them the help they got at GCSE and A-Level.

And your here telling me that i know nothing? That my experience is not even worth the time to read. When i have a person next to me screaming at how thick the pupils are and are getting, from years 1-3?
 
2:2 is arguably classed as a fail.



My wife brought home some scripts to mark, it was a simple experiment where they just had to write a report based of it.

Now a bit of a quick background, to get on the course you need 4 A's at A level and even then you might still get turned away.

Now around 30-40% of the pupils forgot to put a title, incorrectly laid out their work, failed to supply the correct tables and much more. The layout, title and tables they should use where given to them in the lecture. So not only where they told what to write, they still failed to write it correctly.

To top it off, you had one person who wrote an experiment where one of the possible problems with her experiment was the participants where on swivel chairs.

They are constantly asking if this will be on the test, they get upset when you can't offer them the help they got at GCSE and A-Level.

And your here telling me that i know nothing? That my experience is not even worth the time to read. When i have a person next to me screaming at how thick the pupils are and are getting, from years 1-3?

What's the course?
 
As a sixth form teacher I have taught quite a few home schooled children and to be honest they all suffer from the same problems.

* They struggle socially
* They struggle with the demands of an organised day
* They struggle massively with independence both on an academic and personal level
* They struggle with the demands of an A-level course.

* They struggle socially:

This could be down to them being used to a different type of social structure. Being in a polite, non hectic life with more support, to be thrust into public school life is a shock.

* They struggle with the demands of an organised day & * They struggle with the demands of an A-level course.:

Home schooling isn't organised to the degree public schools are, this is quite a obvious problem. They are used to different less structured learning.

* They struggle massively with independence both on an academic and personal level:

This is a personal one i think, support from parents to self learn would help with independence in academia. With regards to personal independence i guess its how the parents raise their child.

Not implying its better, just offering an alternative perspective. You see it as a problem, yet it might actually be just different. I like Blue, you like Green.
 
2:2 is arguably classed as a fail.

Arguably to you maybe but not even relevant when once again 'all current metrics show entrants having 1st and 2:1'. The only failure there was your inability to read!

My wife brought home some scripts to mark, it was a simple experiment where they just had to write a report based of it.

Now a bit of a quick background, to get on the course you need 4 A's at A level and even then you might still get turned away.

Now around 30-40% of the pupils forgot to put a title, incorrectly laid out their work, failed to supply the correct tables and much more. The layout, title and tables they should use where given to them in the lecture. So not only where they told what to write, they still failed to write it correctly.

To top it off, you had one person who wrote an experiment where one of the possible problems with her experiment was the participants where on swivel chairs.

They are constantly asking if this will be on the test, they get upset when you can't offer them the help they got at GCSE and A-Level.

And your here telling me that i know nothing? That my experience is not even worth the time to read. When i have a person next to me screaming at how thick the pupils are and are getting, from years 1-3?

So your wife breached her confidentiality agreement with her employer and failed to discharge her responsibility to those she supervised by allowing you access to work that you had no tangible reason for seeing or knowing about?

You'll have to excuse me here if I find you taking a moral and ethical high ground here rather ironical.
 
My girlfriend took our 3 children out on the 7th march to "home school". I now call them KFC, Mc'Donald and burger king. 5 - 7 - 10

I had zero input and all it took was a letter to the school to inform them. I am a carer for my girlfriend and she sleeps all day taking insanely high dosage pain killers.

That door has never look so damn nice in years.
 
So your wife breached her confidentiality agreement with her employer and failed to discharge her responsibility to those she supervised by allowing you access to work that you had no tangible reason for seeing or knowing about?

I never saw the scripts, she told me about them. Don't try and turn this around into some bull legal crap, every single academic I've met or spoke to all talk about it. So don't come to me pretending its some kind of neglect.
 
Now around 30-40% of the pupils forgot to put a title, incorrectly laid out their work, failed to supply the correct tables and much more. The layout, title and tables they should use where given to them in the lecture. So not only where they told what to write, they still failed to write it correctly.

Maybe they were just expressing their creative freedom and refusing to be confined by the bounds of a dogmatic rigid educational process? :p
 
I'm not mentioning it. I know what OCUK is like, soon as you release too much personal information its a downward spiral from then on.

OK, so you're telling me...

The reports from these pupils (who have 4x A's at A-level, and even some with straight A's didn't get on!) were not up to the standard of the course requirements...?

4 x A's...arguably the most elite youngsters in the country...couldn't write a basic report that your wife, their teacher, set them? Call me insane, but maybe it has something to do with the teaching...?
 
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