Haswell-E, X99 & DDR4 in June ?

Silent_Scone · 12 Mar 2014 at 14:36

I thought it was rumoured by Intel themselves that Haswell-E wouldn't be till 2015?

Well, specifically DDR4 isn't due till then...

Silent_Scone · 12 Mar 2014 at 15:23

Maybe not as late as that. Contradicting information there though, stating the previously presumed Q4 for Haswell-E.

http://wccftech.com/crucial-ddr4-memory-ballistix-3000-mhz/

Kelt · 12 Mar 2014 at 16:44

cainer said:
i payed £190 for 6gb (3x2gb) of 1600mhz Corsair tri channel early in 2010

Meh, you young whippersnappers don't know how good you've got it! When I built my first PC, it cost me £30 (around £43 in today's money) per MB! :eek:

I could only afford 4MB

Silent_Scone · 12 Mar 2014 at 17:18

Kelt said:
Meh, you young whippersnappers don't know how good you've got it! When I built my first PC, it cost me £30 (around £43 in today's money) per MB!

I could only afford 4MB

EDO RAM

. Found a stick of that not so long ago, absolutely brimmingly compact. Think it was 64MB, dread to think how much it was worth at the time. I was running 8MB lol.

Kelt · 12 Mar 2014 at 17:32

MjFrosty said:
EDO RAM . Found a stick of that not so long ago, absolutely brimmingly compact. Think it was 64MB, dread to think how much it was worth at the time. I was running 8MB lol.

That was it! You've got a better memory than me, couldn't remember what it was called for the life of me!

Dave2150 · 13 Mar 2014 at 02:38

Freddie1980 said:
Great, here's waiting for another Intel CPU with a 5% performance improvement, pointless DDR4, a new platform they will offer little in the way of new technologies and innovation, reduced overclocking potential and a sky high premiums.

Err, this is the biggest leap forward in Intel CPU performance since the first generation bloomsfield I7's were released.

8 cores
Much larger L3 cache
DDR4 (corsair, gskill etc will release 3000Mhz kits early on most likely)
Quad channel memory, ddr4 etc.

As multi threaded games, applications are becoming much more common place, the 6 and 8 core versions, armed with all that L3 cache, will be a lot more than 5% over the current generation.

Make · 13 Mar 2014 at 02:57

It will be an increase in max FPS for benchers etc and people running 3+ card setups.

But it won't be necessary in any way for anyone as games are 99% bottlenecked by GPU.

Of course there's the occasional 240hz gamers that can actually max out a CPU like that.

Kaapstad · 13 Mar 2014 at 08:14

Make said:
It will be an increase in max FPS for benchers etc and people running 3+ card setups.

But it won't be necessary in any way for anyone as games are 99% bottlenecked by GPU.

Of course there's the occasional 240hz gamers that can actually max out a CPU like that.

Don't be surprised if Haswell E turns out to be very poor for the above and it is better to stay on X79.

If the mainstream Haswell form book is anything to go by an eight core CPU could be total rubbish for overclocking and may struggle to reach 4.2 or 4.3ghz. This is fine for zeon CPUs but totally useless for benching or 3/4 card setups.

Silent_Scone · 13 Mar 2014 at 09:25

There is that, yes. most if not all Ivy-e chips on here struggle to beat majority of 3930 scores. But one doesn't need raw clock speed when coupled with 8 logical processor cores. 20k Physics at 4.5?

Time will tell. Still don't think it'll be June though lol.

8 Pack · 13 Mar 2014 at 09:53

Freddie1980 said:
Great, here's waiting for another Intel CPU with a 5% performance improvement, pointless DDR4, a new platform they will offer little in the way of new technologies and innovation, reduced overclocking potential and a sky high premiums.

Don't buy one then!!!

Next...............

June no and no!!!

Boomstick777 · 13 Mar 2014 at 11:37

8 Pack said:
June no and no

Can you give us a clue..

Earlier or later than June?

Freddie1980 · 13 Mar 2014 at 13:49

8 Pack said:
Don't buy one then!!!

Next...............

June no and no!!!

I won't. Unless your aging X58 system is on it's last legs and being held together with gaffer tape anyone with a Sandy-e or Ivy-E will have no compelling reason to upgrade.

Dave2150 said:
Err, this is the biggest leap forward in Intel CPU performance since the first generation bloomsfield I7's were released.

8 cores
Much larger L3 cache
DDR4 (corsair, gskill etc will release 3000Mhz kits early on most likely)
Quad channel memory, ddr4 etc.

Those are just technologies it supports not reasons to buy. What am I going to with expensive DDR4 that I can't do with DDR3?

As multi threaded games, applications are becoming much more common place, the 6 and 8 core versions, armed with all that L3 cache, will be a lot more than 5% over the current generation.

I've been waiting for this to happen since 2006, until Intel starts selling affordable 6 core parts most developers aren't going to bother coding games to take advantage. Were a long way off, Intel don't even have a budget quad core anywhere in their lineup and I would gobsmacked if Haswell changed that.

Silent_Scone · 13 Mar 2014 at 14:23

Freddie1980 said:
I won't. Unless your aging X58 system is on it's last legs and being held together with gaffer tape anyone with a Sandy-e or Ivy-E will have no compelling reason to upgrade.

Freddie1980 said:
Those are just technologies it supports not reasons to buy. What am I going to with expensive DDR4 that I can't do with DDR3?

A faster system to bench on

. Enthusiast > mainstream

smilertoo · 13 Mar 2014 at 14:25

Is 6 core the minimum on this new system?

zoomee · 13 Mar 2014 at 14:28

Freddie1980 said:
I've been waiting for this to happen since 2006, until Intel starts selling affordable 6 core parts most developers aren't going to bother coding games to take advantage. Were a long way off, Intel don't even have a budget quad core anywhere in their lineup and I would gobsmacked if Haswell changed that.

Pc's don't drive game development - consoles do. Now the Ps4 and xbox 1 8-core consoles are out we'll see more developers utilising 'mowar cores'

Whilst intel has always had the upper hand in the IPC race, AMD have the mowar core race sorted - especially now that their chips are in both consoles.

won't be long till you don't need a super expensive 8 core chip but a much cheaper AMD one will do the job just as good for games. Let Intel keep trying to milk us - all their doing is restricting themselves to a smaller percentage of a shrinking market (no wonder their already announcing losses lol!)

Silent_Scone · 13 Mar 2014 at 14:30

smilertoo said:
Is 6 core the minimum on this new system?

I'd imagine there will be a K series hexcore and the rest will be 8 core. But don't quote me

Dave2150 · 14 Mar 2014 at 12:13

Freddie1980 said:
I won't. Unless your aging X58 system is on it's last legs and being held together with gaffer tape anyone with a Sandy-e or Ivy-E will have no compelling reason to upgrade.

Those are just technologies it supports not reasons to buy. What am I going to with expensive DDR4 that I can't do with DDR3?

I've been waiting for this to happen since 2006, until Intel starts selling affordable 6 core parts most developers aren't going to bother coding games to take advantage. Were a long way off, Intel don't even have a budget quad core anywhere in their lineup and I would gobsmacked if Haswell changed that.

I guess your either ignorant or you've been living under a rock for the last few years. There are plenty of well multi-threaded applications/games, BF4 is just one example. If you would like further examples (instead of using google/review benchmarks) then let me know.

It seems you're also ignorant as to the benefits of DDR4. I'll list them below for you, as you don't seem to be able to use google yourself. Also note that years ago we were all using DDR1, then DDR2 etc. This is just another milestone where newer, faster memory will be introduced.

Benefits of DDR4:

16GB dimms. So much greater capacity - plus *may* increase overclocking potential, as we've seen in the past that using less memory dimms can improve your overclock

Lower power comsumption, always a plus

Faster speed! Although the stock speed will be only 2133 - remember we'll soon see much faster models than the standard spec modules. DDR3 started at 800mhz I believe, and we're now upto over 2000mhz!

Of course, if you don't feel the need to upgrade, then don't bother, just don't whine about how 'worthless' this new platform will be. Buy it, or don't.

Krisali · 14 Mar 2014 at 12:47

Dave2150 said:
I guess your either ignorant or you've been living under a rock for the last few years. There are plenty of well multi-threaded applications/games, BF4 is just one example. If you would like further examples (instead of using google/review benchmarks) then let me know.

It seems you're also ignorant as to the benefits of DDR4. I'll list them below for you, as you don't seem to be able to use google yourself. Also note that years ago we were all using DDR1, then DDR2 etc. This is just another milestone where newer, faster memory will be introduced.

Benefits of DDR4:

16GB dimms. So much greater capacity - plus *may* increase overclocking potential, as we've seen in the past that using less memory dimms can improve your overclock

Lower power comsumption, always a plus

Faster speed! Although the stock speed will be only 2133 - remember we'll soon see much faster models than the standard spec modules. DDR3 started at 800mhz I believe, and we're now upto over 2000mhz!

Of course, if you don't feel the need to upgrade, then don't bother, just don't whine about how 'worthless' this new platform will be. Buy it, or don't.

Well said mate. Personally, this is the most excited I have been about hardware since I built my X48 Rampage, Q6600, Xfire 4870 system

whyscotty · 14 Mar 2014 at 12:51

MjFrosty said:
I'd imagine there will be a K series hexcore and the rest will be 8 core. But don't quote me

I will

Geeman1979 · 14 Mar 2014 at 13:14

MjFrosty said:
I'd imagine there will be a K series hexcore and the rest will be 8 core. But don't quote me

Just did