Going from FX8350 to 4770k

TAZOO7 · 10 Mar 2014 at 23:01

almighty15 said:
I did things the same way as the OP... got the GPU horse power first then got a 1440p monitor,

yes well we all know your different Almighty, if we say black we all know you will say white

Martini1991 · 10 Mar 2014 at 23:07

TAZOO7 said:
My eyes are open thank you and im not wasting time arguing with you, if you call the below results as superior then i guess your right and im wrong, but by definition this is far from superior, i only know of 2 games that are better optimized for 8 core, i know of ZERO game that use hyperthreading, waste of money just for gaming, but if thats floats your boat then bang tidy

Erm..... If something can use 8 cores (Threads), it can use HT, it doesn't need to be made for HT, they're just extra threads.

An i5 and i7 will give different frame rates GPU set up dependant on a few titles (The list isn't huge granted, it's quite a small list frankly) and why I'm far more pro i5.

Rome Total War 2 will give different results (Unless you're using some mediocre GPU set up)

BF3 with dual GPU's (Such as a 7970 Crossfire) in Multiplayer can and does show differences (64 player maps etc) BF4 pre mantle showed differences in Multiplayer (Mantle will negate the difference, to what extent I don't know)

Crysis 3, take a high end multi GPU set up and an i5 and an i7 will yield different experiences too.

A single 7970 is getting on abit, it debuted in 2011 (Closing days of 2011) so it's well over its second birthday (With a single 7970, there's not going to be much difference at all real world i5 or i7)

almighty15 · 10 Mar 2014 at 23:34

TAZOO7 said:
My eyes are open thank you and im not wasting time arguing with you, if you call the below results as superior then i guess your right and im wrong, but by definition this is far from superior, i only know of 2 games that are better optimized for 8 core, i know of ZERO game that use hyperthreading, waste of money just for gaming, but if thats floats your boat then bang tidy

And when you come out with things like that it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about and are not worth having a conversation with.

MrMarvelous · 10 Mar 2014 at 23:35

OP, did you go from AMD to Intel? If so, how are you finding it?

Choimaloy75 · 11 Mar 2014 at 06:51

MrMarvelous said:
OP, did you go from AMD to Intel? If so, how are you finding it?

Yeah mate,they are getting delivered today so as soon as I know Il share my experiences.

Hagar · 11 Mar 2014 at 11:25

I hope you did loads of tests before you disassembled the FX

TAZOO7 · 11 Mar 2014 at 13:02

almighty15 said:
And when you come out with things like that it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about and are not worth having a conversation with.

Yet you are doing just that

You said Battlefield, Crysis 3 and a few others all show the i7 is superior then the i5

I then proved otherwise and backed it up and yet you still claim its me that know what im talking about, when i clearly all i said was i dont know of any games that are optimized for HT is because i dont, not the same as say they are not out there!

Martini1991 · 11 Mar 2014 at 13:12

TAZOO7 said:
Yet you are doing just that

You said Battlefield, Crysis 3 and a few others all show the i7 is superior then the i5

I then proved otherwise and backed it up and yet you still claim its me that know what im talking about, when i clearly all i said was i dont know of any games that are optimized for HT is because i dont, not the same as say they are not out there!

You didn't prove otherwise really (Not that Almighty has explained the point very well), as I've explained, it requires upper GPU grunt to create a bottleneck on an i5 in those handful of games, 64 player multiplayer on 7970 Crossfire yields differences between an i5 and i7.

There's only a few select situations upon which there are differences (None of them are shown in your link, due to the GPU limit of a single 7970)

And, something that can use 8 threads/cores, can use HT...

Kaapstad · 11 Mar 2014 at 14:40

TAZOO7 said:
Yet you are doing just that

You said Battlefield, Crysis 3 and a few others all show the i7 is superior then the i5

I then proved otherwise and backed it up and yet you still claim its me that know what im talking about, when i clearly all i said was i dont know of any games that are optimized for HT is because i dont, not the same as say they are not out there!

All you proved is that you can find a dodgy review, use two or more GPUs and the right games and you will notice the difference.

Martini1991 said:
You didn't prove otherwise really (Not that Almighty has explained the point very well), as I've explained, it requires upper GPU grunt to create a bottleneck on an i5 in those handful of games, 64 player multiplayer on 7970 Crossfire yields differences between an i5 and i7.

There's only a few select situations upon which there are differences (None of them are shown in your link, due to the GPU limit of a single 7970)

And, something that can use 8 threads/cores, can use HT...

+1

Here are a couple of scores from the Heaven 4 bench showing the difference in GPU grunt between an Asus Matrix Platinum 7970 (as used in the review that TAZOO7 linked) and a pair of 290Xs, the difference is huge.

Score 1093, GPU 7970 @1275/1875, CPU 3970X @4.9, Kaapstad
Score 3151, GPU 290X x 2 @1200/1625, CPU 3970X @4.9, Kaapstad

Heaven 4 only uses a few cores whereas Battlefield and Crysis 3 use a lot more.

Kaapstad · 11 Mar 2014 at 14:55

Martini1991 said:
See, I don't believe this monitor thing (Because lets face it, 60HZ 1080P is the most common set up, so everyone saying they see gains, well guess what they're likely running? Yet, 1080p 60HZ monitors) as such, sure, you won't "See" those extra frames, but you're rendering far more frames = Less frame latency etc, and minimums are almost certainly going to be higher.

I'll be interested to see if you see gains.

I was using BF4 on the test range today with v sync on and off. My monitor is a Dell U3011 which is only good for 60HZ.

It was nicer without v sync even though my monitor can not display the extra fps (averaging about 180fps). With v sync on it felt like it was stuttering a bit.

gpuerrilla · 11 Mar 2014 at 16:51

nkata said:
I hope you did loads of tests before you disassembled the FX

If he has followed shaken not stirred to form then he just didn't have time (conveniently forgot)

Martini1991 · 12 Mar 2014 at 10:38

The upgrade has obviously melted the OP's brain with the difference its made

joeyjojo · 12 Mar 2014 at 10:59

Martini1991 said:
The upgrade has obviously melted the OP's brain with the difference its made

gpuerrilla · 12 Mar 2014 at 12:30

It has obviously had a placebo effect and the OP is struggling to find any real world difference to demonstrate where all that extra ££ went..

/Joking in case I am taking things out of context or for having a sense of humour.

Choimaloy75 · 12 Mar 2014 at 18:51

Lol I haven't got round trying benches and games as I'm downloading them now, had a right faff on last night with new motherboard not shutting down correctly and have had to reinstall windows again but that's all sorted now so just downloading as we speak.

Choimaloy75 · 12 Mar 2014 at 19:47

Well il start will f1 2013 benchmark with my 8350 I was getting an average of 76 fps with the i7 it's a 115fps and definitely looks smoother.

Choimaloy75 · 15 Mar 2014 at 13:30

Well I've don't benches on Firestrike and getting over 3500 point over what I had with my 8350 thief has seen a big increase also,all I can say is I'm pleased I made the switch and can definite tell the difference much more smoother gameplay experience.

alex_123_fra · 15 Mar 2014 at 14:55

On dual high end GPU setups I'm not surprised at all at the results you are seeing. Don't think anyone disputed that. If you tried BF4/Crysis 3 with an FX8350 vs a 4770k with the same GPUs, you'd notice far less difference depending on the clocks the FX was using.

Seen my name quoted a couple of times so thought I'd respond. Not sure how many guys have a 4770k and FX8-core at the same time but I do and I have no allegiance to either brand. To answer Martin's point, in WoW (1-2 threaded at the most), there is around a 5 fps difference between my FX8320 (4.8ghz) system and my 4770k (4.5ghz) system as per sigs with virtually identical SINGLE GPUs. The Intel system sees around 60 fps average while the FX system sees 55 fps average. Not really sure how else to put it. I am not drawing the conclusion that the FX 8-cores don't bottleneck systems. Far from it, I've always said they do but there are many single GPU systems that will not be significantly bottlenecked even in seemingly poorly threaded games (WoW).

Good choice of CPU OP. I'm totally happy with mine. As I am with my FX 8-core.

Martini1991 · 15 Mar 2014 at 14:59

Choimaloy75 said:
Well I've don't benches on Firestrike and getting over 3500 point over what I had with my 8350 thief has seen a big increase also,all I can say is I'm pleased I made the switch and can definite tell the difference much more smoother gameplay experience.

That's good, what about Crysis 3?

gpuerrilla · 15 Mar 2014 at 16:01

alex_123_fra said:
Not really sure how else to put it. I am not drawing the conclusion that the FX 8-cores don't bottleneck systems. Far from it, I've always said they do but there are many single GPU systems that will not be significantly bottlenecked even in seemingly poorly threaded games (WoW).

Good choice of CPU OP. I'm totally happy with mine. As I am with my FX 8-core.

Sadly, it is what I have always said regardless of martin thinking I am some kind of uneducated fanboy. It has been mentioned in many other threads that it is easy to cherry pick games that benefit both sides of the coin here so choose wisely.

If you can distinctly see a large margin of difference then fantastic for those that it has benefited them. It would also help hugely if you shared the total spend in changing to the new system so there is a fair contrast in how much money was exchanged when 'upgrading'.

As martin has now asked it would be better to now bench some of the more generous multi-core demanding games to get a wider spectrum of performance.