Aborted Babies incinerated to heat Hospital!!

semi-pro waster said:
Thanks, I was aware of the no abortions part although my understanding is the original Oath says no to a pessary to cause an abortion which may or may not forbid all abortions depending on how you interpret it.

I was really asking about how the Hippocratic Oath would be relevant to the disposal of an aborted foetus. I'm taking it as a given that at this point you've already gone beyond the abortion issue where the Hippocratic Oath (possibly) had something explicit to say.
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The Hippocratic oath only specifies a pessary to cause an abortion, it's largely been abandoned as it's half nonsense.
 
Minstadave said:
No there isn't.

24 weeks is the limit for abortion. There is no hospital in the uk that will even attempt to resuscitate anything under 23 weeks. So no.
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The current record for the most premature baby who survived is under 22 weeks. Your position is considerably out of date.

Hospitals will attempt to keep a newborn alive if they think there's a chance of survival and nowadays there's a chance of survival from possibly as low as 20 weeks (it varies from person to person, unsurprisingly). Technology and understanding continues to improve. It's a small chance and lots of time in NICU afterwards, but it's not impossible. Hospitals will give it a try.
 
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Angilion said:
The current record for the most premature baby who survived is under 22 weeks. Your position is considerably out of date.

Hospitals will attempt to keep a newborn alive if they think there's a chance of survival and nowadays there's a chance of survival from possibly as low as 20 weeks (it varies from person to person, unsurprisingly). Technology and understanding continues to improve. It's a small chance and lots of time in NICU afterwards, but it's not impossible. Hospitals will give it a try.
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I'm not wrong or out of date. Resuscitation under 23 weeks is experimental only in the UK, no centre practices this as standard. Many centres will not resuscitate below 24 weeks full stop.

You're incorrect and hospitals won't just "give it a try".
 
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I dont get pro-life people?!? :confused:

It is not like we the last remaining bastion of humanity that we have to keep all these babies! :rolleyes:

Mistakes happen, things go wrong and more important! Some people get raped and have damaged goods! So I am pro abortion, each to their own I say and dont judge. :)
 
Indeed, much, and often what happns in resus before 26 weeks is survival occurs, and life is prolonged for a while, but in many cases the child dies later, in the first two years of life, after living most of that time in an incubator.

Terrible as I am, I don't see a great point to prolonging the potential life of an often severely damaged, deaf, blind child with breathing difficulties, and the amount of time effort and resources that it requires.

As said resus varies from one to another and is situation dependant. I don't think it is always a good idea, in fact I personally think it is rarely a good idea before 26 weeks.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
Terrible as I am, I don't see a great point to prolonging the potential life of an often severely damaged, deaf, blind child with breathing difficulties, and the amount of time effort and resources that it requires.
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i think it's because very parent clings to the "what iff" doctors are just making educated gusess with stuff like this it's too complicated to predict accuratly, no one wants to be responsible for pulling the plug on somone who may live.
 
Sensationalist reporting is sensationalist!

Every is entitled to their own view on abortion but that discussion isn't important in this context. The only important thing to consider is the legal side and the law clearly states when an abortion can and cannot take place. If a woman wants an abortion and it is before 24 weeks then the cellular mass* needs to be disposed so I see no problem with this.

* "Cellular mass" used to remove any connotations of whether it is a life or not.
 
Firstly, I don't see tje problem with this, as long as the parents give consent. I think that we should be burning all waste, even the excess heat resulting from normal cremations, used in heating buildings, water etc.

Secondly, in Denmark this sort of thing has been done for a little while. In the last year, the first heat exchanger using excess heat from cremation was approved, the heat then presumably being used to either generate electricity, or to heat water. In Denmark, they commonly have something called district heating. We have it here, but it's not widely used, but is becoming much more common in new builds.

Basically, when you generate electricity, a lot of heat tends to be produced. For some reason, in England at least, we cool the water vapour that was created in the process down, and outlet to the atmosphere. In Denmark, they use this excess heat to power generators, or it is used to generate hot water. This hot water is then pumped directly to your home, and you get instant, and clean, hot water via another heat exchanger, which is a source of clean water for domestic use. By doing this, they've reduced the amount that energy generation costs. They do, however, pay very high taxes on energy to pay for welfare.

It's a very good system, if you find the tax acceptable. It's an expensive country though. Anyway, the Danes have some excellent methods of saving energy, and the use of excess heat is one of them. Why waste it?! Which is why I'm in favour of this.
 
I don't see anything wrong with this on any level.

The foetus never lived for a start, and even if it had it doesn't matter.

Once you are dead you are no longer human - what made you a human is gone. Once you are dead you are simply just meat. We might as well use it for something - feed animals, heat hospitals, organ donation, research. Do whatever.

I've already said I don't want a grave when I die - remove the organs then use the corpse for whatever. Grind it up and feed it to the lab rats for all I care.
 
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