Poll: Nick Clegg vs Nigel Farage - EU Debate

EU Debate are you in or out?

  • In.

    Votes: 206 42.6%

  • Out.

    Votes: 278 57.4%
  • Total voters
    484
Burnsy2023 said:
You are entitled to work in any other European country and get the related benefits of that state. I don't know how comparable they are but that right does exist.

Anyway, I don't see why the argument is always brought down to minimum wage when we see so much value in the higher end of the skills market. I love the fact that if I get an offer of employment anywhere in Europe, I can up and leave with very few barriers and go where the money is.
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They'd laugh at you in france you wont get anything let alone a job if you don't speak fluent french.

Plenty of vids out there proving racist members of ukip not like it's a secret some of them want stuff like repatriotization.
 
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C64 said:
They'd laugh at you in france you wont get anything let alone a job if you don't speak fluent french.
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Er...no.

I was offered a six figure job in Paris without even mentioning the fact that I speak passable French at any point during the interview process.
 
Dis86 said:
Er...no.

I was offered a six figure job in Paris without even mentioning the fact that I speak passable French at any point during the interview process.
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See this sums it all up for me it's all fantastic when you are in a high skilled well job.
Come back at me when you can name one country in europe where an unskilled job gives you our equivalence of in work benefit top ups then we have an argument.
 
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C64 said:
yea doing professional jobs maybe but what about min wage / semi skilled/unskilled work
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There are options there, especially in the food industry, but like I said, the focus should be on the high skilled work where the majority of the benefit to the country comes from.

Lets invest in making our workforce more skilled.
 
From what I see, I don't think there's a perfect way around this. I personally feel that there needs to be a compromise but that's never going to happen due to the strong regs of the EU. We need to work out what hurt our economy the least.
 
C64 said:
See this sums it all up for me it's all fantastic when you are in a high skilled well job.
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That's not what you said though. You said one couldn't get anything, let alone a job in France without speaking fluent French.
 
Hyburnate said:
From what I see, I don't think there's a perfect way around this. I personally feel that there needs to be a compromise but that's never going to happen due to the strong regs of the EU. We need to work out what hurt our economy the least.
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Of course they're not. Whilst I'm sure unskilled labour has it's issues (and also it's advantages when you look at agriculture), I'm not sure how much it adds up when you look at the macro economic context.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You are entitled to work in any other European country and get the related benefits of that state. I don't know how comparable they are but that right does exist.

Anyway, I don't see why the argument is always brought down to minimum wage when we see so much value in the higher end of the skills market. I love the fact that if I get an offer of employment anywhere in Europe, I can up and leave with very few barriers and go where the money is.
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You would have that right anyway if your job was skilled enough.

Somehow, I don't think its German semiconductor engineers that Farage is complaining about.

If you can't see why the argument IS largely about minimum wage, don't ever vote again.

Something tells me though, you aren't that stupid, and your ignorance is calculated :)
 
I always find the Euro talks interesting. "left leaning" people tend to support the EU which is in fact beneficial to right wing economic policy. Whereas right leaning people prefer to go for nationalism and away from the EU, which would result in less positive right wing economic results.
 
Mr. Pickle said:
You would have that right anyway if your job was skilled enough.
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Not necessarily. Look at the US, I could work there, but the costs of all the Visa and immigration forms does make that very expensive for the employer. Usually in the tens of thousands of dollars.

Mr. Pickle said:
Somehow, I don't think its German semiconductor engineers that Farage is complaining about.
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No, but you can't complain about the issues without seeing the benefits too.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
There are options there, especially in the food industry, but like I said, the focus should be on the high skilled work where the majority of the benefit to the country comes from.

Lets invest in making our workforce more skilled.
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You haven't got a CLUE what you are discussing.

The majority of benefit does come from *VERY HIGH SKILLED* workers coming here. For some reason though, this accounts for probably less than 5% of the entire inflow of immigrants. The other 95% bring nothing other than to flood low skilled jobs with an oversupply of labour.

It really isn't that difficult to understand.
 
Mr. Pickle said:
The majority of benefit does come from *VERY HIGH SKILLED* workers coming here. For some reason though, this accounts for probably less than 5% of the entire inflow of immigrants. The other 95% bring nothing other than to flood low skilled jobs with an oversupply of labour.
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Since you're quoting a statistic as fact, I'd like to see a source please.
 
It is an odd situation that we have here though that we have some of the best education establishments in the world and yet have huge shortages in some fields (engineering being a prime example)...
I really never understood it. Then again I remember when I was applying for Uni and some of the degrees my friends chose. Thinking to myself what the hell kind of job is that going to get them at the end?! Sure enough they're the ones working in call centres with masters degrees...
 
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