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Titan Z

LtMatt said:
My graphics cards wish to make a public statement.



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LtMatt if your two cards can not beat a Titan Z in practically everything I would be surprised.

Worst case scenario you could spend another £600 for two more 290Ps and still have change out of a Titan Z, quadfire Lt you know you want it.:D

I don't have any problem with expensive cards as long as they can come up with the performance, but lets face putting two 8 pin power connectors on a Titan Z is like trying to win the Grand National with a three legged donkey.:eek:
 
etched Chaos said:
Surely the science community would be wanting workstation cards not GPU's for their compute? If they have no qualms about price then they'll not even give the Z another look because they'd be too busy putting Firepro's or Quadro's into their systems.
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Indeed, the GeForce and Radeon gaming graphics cards series are not the type of GPUs that we look for in the scientific community - precision is key for many simulations run in Physics, one comprises such accurate levels of modelling by using gaming cards. Of course, the Titan, Titan Black and Titan Z are exceptions with their high speed double precision capabilities - but it's still nothing compared to the compute capabilities of the Tesla K20 or FirePro W9000 cards.

Also, incidentally, if a research project is looking into buying expensive GPUs (of around £3000 each) for intensive simulations (as many groups are looking at these days, especially in fields such as High Energy Physics) then they would be getting the Tesla K20 (if they require Nvidia for it's powerful CUDA programming) and not the Titan Z.
 
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MjFrosty said:
You're kidding, right? lol.
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I am dead serious, the Titan Z only comes with two 8 pin power connectors as it will be so downclocked to deal with the heat generated.

Imagine if each of your cards only had a maximum of 187 watts available the performance would be quite poor. Not to mention the extra vram is going to need a few extra watts as well on the Titan Z.

If the Titan Z came with three 8 pin connectors, then fitting a waterblock would make life very interesting.:D
 
Kaapstad said:
LtMatt if your two cards can not beat a Titan Z in practically everything I would be surprised.

Worst case scenario you could spend another £600 for two more 290Ps and still have change out of a Titan Z, quadfire Lt you know you want it.:D

I don't have any problem with expensive cards as long as they can come up with the performance, but lets face putting two 8 pin power connectors on a Titan Z is like trying to win the Grand National with a three legged donkey.:eek:
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My motherboard is quad fire ready. I actually may end up with tri fire one day. 290's are getting cheaper everyday but still remain as fast.
 
PhysicsMan94 said:
Who says it's not OK to charge that much? Powerful gaming GPUs are luxury items, their price reflects this fact.
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Don't fall for the faux scarcity trick companies play. These babies are mass produced items, the only parameter which limits their availibility is how many units the market will bear without affecting the price of the lower end cards.

I think it is an interesting development that nvidia are trying a $3000 price point for a card which will go toe to toe with two overclocked 290s, as it will demonstrate market paucity for this price point (how dumb the market is at the top end). This is demonstrated in other markets such as women's handbags where Chanel can sell a bag for 7000 euros when it is produced for a tenth of that price.

The Titan z is therefore a limited test case for how far nvidia can push their margins.
 
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Nvidia GTX Titan Z Postponed to a Later Date

Grain of salt.

Now PR is everything. Take the Titan Z for example. The Titan Z is not designed for gamers. It is designed for Gamers/ Professionals on a budget.It should have significantly better D.P. performance than any other non-Quadro card on the market and D.P is rarely, if ever, used for Gaming. In fact I don’t recall a single Gaming Scenario where Double Precision is used, but the fact remains that upon release, Titan Z will face the inevitable R9 295X2 comparison. Of course, the reviewers will put Nvidia’s dual core beast against AMD’s monstrous Vesuvius in a Gaming Showdown, and from what Sweclockers.com tells us, Green will loose. However, PR, like I already mentioned, is everything.
Now here is the thing, I am not exactly sure how Nvidia will increase the clocks. Higher then they already were (no confirmed reports on the same) that is, with the cooler being the bottleneck. Since the Titan Z runs on an air cooler, it has very limited TDP and air saturates after a certain limit, as any overclocker will tell you. They could introduce some design improvements or get better TIM. But that will all be very costly at this stage in time. Another alternative, which is just me and wishful thinking by the way, is that Green could go on to release the GTX 790 first, which if introduced with a liquid cooler will have a much higher chance of beating Vesuvius on release. In fact they could migrate Titan Z to an aio cooler too, but that would negate the Eng samples they sent to the press. An admittedly strange state of affairs but lets see what happens.
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Sources
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-titan-z-postponed-date/
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/18681-nvidia-skjuter-upp-geforce-gtx-titan-z
 
Titan-Z on water would be interesting but I still don't see the appeal. Just because they're trying to improve gaming performance doesn't mean it is now aimed at gamers. But professionals will want the performance to be there :D

I will be unimpressed if NV opt for an AIO solution, seeing as their market drive is normally of a higher quality. IMO the AIO cooler on Vesuvius is a hindrance to a large portion of it's potential target audience.
 
humbug said:
They will want the performance Crown and then charge $3000 the Titan-Z and / or $2000 for the 790, if they can't do it conventionally they will change the cooler and then clock the nutts off it, whatever it takes. watch this space.
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295x2 running in the mid 60's temp wise has headroom for higher clocks. I wonder if there will be a 295x2 with a clock bump depending on what Nvidia does with the TitanZ.
 
MjFrosty said:
Titan-Z on water would be interesting but I still don't see the appeal. Just because they're trying to improve gaming performance doesn't mean it is now aimed at gamers. But professionals will want the performance to be there :D

I will be unimpressed if NV opt for an AIO solution, seeing as their market drive is normally of a higher quality. IMO the AIO cooler on Vesuvius is a hindrance to a large portion of it's potential target audience.
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They could allow AIB partners like EVGA to launch the card with a proper full cover waterblock and scrap the air cooled version altogether.

Anyone who is prepared to pay the sort of money NVidia want for the card is going to put the cards on water anyway.
 
LtMatt said:
295x2 running in the mid 60's temp wise has headroom for higher clocks. I wonder if there will be a 295x2 with a clock bump depending on what Nvidia does with the TitanZ.
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D'ya know i was just thinking that, the 295 x2 has about 10 to 15% left in the tank if they wanted to bin a higher clocked 295 x2X?
 
Im thinking the titan z will have an extra connector on the back of the card.

If you look at the pcb on the 780/780ti's you will see solder points what look like an 8 pin.
 
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