You can't sit there and deny the current state of immigration is too much too fast. People aren't angry at the people coming in, it's the various politicians over the years that have let this happen and given away our say in the matter to the EU. Immigration has come to the forefront because it's been a slow grind up to the current situation where suddenly the country has noticably changed.
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You can't sit there and deny the current state of immigration is too much too fast. People aren't angry at the people coming in, it's the various politicians over the years that have let this happen and given away our say in the matter to the EU. Immigration has come to the forefront because it's been a slow grind up to the current situation where suddenly the country has noticably changed.
Indeed, it's so predictable is pretty embarrassing.
The issue with 'common sense' policies is that the solutions to complex social problems do not always conform to common sense.
Threads like this really reinforce my desire for a technocracy, average Joe solutions & political viewpoints are laughable (OP as an example).
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Are the mods ever going to do something about this lefty BS?
Posters dropping off words like fascist/bigot/hater/xenophobe, they do nothing to add to the debate, there is no reply, no proof is ever offerred and it's done simply because they want to abuse or slander the person.
It's nothing to do with the recession
9/11 was in 2001, not 2007
It was then people noticed muslims as the enemy within.
This was followed by yet more bombings and enough icky practices to fill a weekly thread in here.
Then people cottoned on to how they had been betrayed by Labour and how all this immigration wasn't accidental.
Followed by a complete failure of any national party to even acknowledge the issue.
In fact Cameron actually supports the violent UAF whose only current target is the EDL, a pressure group who have nothing to say about race and only protest against Islamists. What does Cameron think he's achieving here?
Even with immigration riots in Fance, FN getting voted in to France's second biggest city and governments overturned, nobody here is doing a thing.
I can just see Clegg at the door of parliament saying "let them all eat cake"
It's nothing about lefty BS, plenty of right-ring economic supporters feel the same way.
It's nothing to do with 9/11, it's do with with desperation & ignorance.
Laughable.
I've had more problems with far right bombings than any Islamic threat, I was just around the corner from the blast from the Brixton bombings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland
Yes we've had issues recently with Islamic extremism, but we've also had historically IRA bombings, far right bombings & a myriad of other undesirable situations.
This isn't a problem which resides within only one ethnic or social group - it's just idiotic extremist people with ridiculous views on religion or national identity.
Ironically the kind of people who share in some respects the same kind of idiotic views in this thread (just from a different perspective).
If you think the EDL is just a pressure group who has nothing to say about race then you are either being wilfully ignorant or have simply done no research.
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There is nothing far right about nationalism. it is just the socialist attempt at stigmatisation through association.
What the socialist do is label everything that is not socialist right wing. When in fact nationalist parties are left wing not right wing. Both of them are pro government. Its just socialists attempt to associate the opponents parties with nazism when in fact nazism was socialists and left wing not right wing.
The state education system pushes this lie because it is the attempt by the state to not associate "bad" states from the past with the modern state of today. So by labelling authoritarianism right wing, all the socialists need to do to win an argument is label their opponents right wing and by association with nazism they win.
It was a great trick of reverse psychology because telling people that nazism was big state mixed market socialism and left wing is the opposite to what they have been told it is.
Nationalism is pro state. Therefore its left wing. Simple. It is just a different type of left wing.
Ironically its the "anti-fascists" that are the first to get violent and not respect the democratic protest. What would the socialists do if when they won the election people protested that they were going to rob people and they are thieves. They would be the first to moan about that behaviour. But because they can label their opponents right wing and "fascists" they can get away with it.
What the socialist do is label everything that is not socialist right wing. When in fact nationalist parties are left wing not right wing. Both of them are pro government. Its just socialists attempt to associate the opponents parties with nazism when in fact nazism was socialists and left wing not right wing.
The state education system pushes this lie because it is the attempt by the state to not associate "bad" states from the past with the modern state of today. So by labelling authoritarianism right wing, all the socialists need to do to win an argument is label their opponents right wing and by association with nazism they win.
It was a great trick of reverse psychology because telling people that nazism was big state mixed market socialism and left wing is the opposite to what they have been told it is.
Nationalism is pro state. Therefore its left wing. Simple. It is just a different type of left wing.
Ironically its the "anti-fascists" that are the first to get violent and not respect the democratic protest. What would the socialists do if when they won the election people protested that they were going to rob people and they are thieves. They would be the first to moan about that behaviour. But because they can label their opponents right wing and "fascists" they can get away with it.
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Which is all I've ever said.
And there's nothing left wing about economic migration. 30+ years of right of center governments, and the lefties get the blame
ps. Nationalism is Socially right-wing. It's economically left-wing, though.
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Different amounts of big state socialism is still big state socialism. There was no government since end of ww2 apart from thatcher that have been pro capitalism and even thatcher was a pro big state. Its all left wing, from cameron to hitler to ukip to bnp its all left wing economically and socially. Its all pro big state government, they all want the size of the state to stay the same or increase. They just use different lies to convince the population to vote for them so they can make their money while they are in office for themselves and their friends.
The democractic process and the left right paradigm are used to give to the illusion that there are different parties representing different ideologies when realy its all just different amounts (not by much) of big state socialism.
The democractic process and the left right paradigm are used to give to the illusion that there are different parties representing different ideologies when realy its all just different amounts (not by much) of big state socialism.
Not soAnd there's nothing left wing about economic migration. 30+ years of right of center governments, and the lefties get the blame
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...K-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
This multicultural experiment we have had foisted upon us is a deliberate policy of the left.
What makes it worse is they intend to do nothing about it.
No. New Labour is very much right of centre
Why do these stupid comments get made all the time in these threads? I wouldn't mind if they added something to the discussion, but they never do....
Just pop into a thread, make a sweeping accusation that someone is a racist or whatever then leave. The vast majority of these trolls don't understand the slightest bit about political ideology and as such don’t know what the hell they're talking about.....
Indeed.And there's nothing left wing about economic migration. 30+ years of right of center governments, and the lefties get the blame
ps. Nationalism is Socially right-wing. It's economically left-wing, though.
Economic migration has been for the benefit of right-wing economic capitalism - it's cheap labour.
It's hilarious when people say that the Nazi's were left wing (when in reality they stamped on any unions & supported no values related to equality or equal treatment) - they were simply authoritarian.
No.
You don't seem to understand the difference between standard authoritarianism (commonly self-labelled as socialism) & what socialism is actually meant to be.
Politics is better explained through a multi axis chart.
Y axis being state presence.
Z axis being social policy.
X axis being economic policy.
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Remind me of 'New' New Labour's solution to this?
That's right, there isn't one.
They fully intend to ram this failed multicultural Narnia BS down our throats at the next election too.
when was the last time the uk had a left government????
nu labour was right of centre
we have never ever had a true left government
What's your point?
Labour is still a right of centre party doing right of centre things.
(probably a little less right than under Blair, though)
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Indeed.
Economic migration has been for the benefit of right-wing economic capitalism - it's cheap labour.
It's hilarious when people say that the Nazi's were left wing (when in reality they stamped on any unions & supported no values related to equality or equal treatment) - they were simply authoritarian.
No.
You don't seem to understand the difference between standard authoritarianism (commonly self-labelled as socialism) & what socialism is actually meant to be.
Politics is better explained through a multi axis chart.
Y axis being state presence.
Z axis being social policy.
X axis being economic policy.
Problem with that is the socialist have done such a good job at convincing everyone that right = evil and left = good. That although i do agree that left is collectivism and right is individualism. AS most people have a false understanding of right/left paradigm calling what i represent right wing is only going to think that i advocate state sanction violence like nazism did. Which is exactly what the socialists wanted to get out of the broken left/right paradigm that they propagate. In fact individualism is the complete opposite of nazism and therefore should not be considered right wing. Neither should capitalism or private property rights be considered right wing because nazism was not about capitalism or private property rights but about big state authoritarianism/socialism.
Globalisation is inevitable, perhaps it's a case of accepting that fixed notions of national identity are absurd to begin with.
If you take into account the fluid state of cultures & that what many describe as 'British' is actually the amalgamation of a myriad of different cultures ranging from Romans, Vikings, the French & more recently Indian, African & wider European - in each stage we had people like many in this thread, Frightening of change.
If you have a problem with ghettoisation, lack of integration, poor local relations in areas with large ethnic communities, reduction in employment for low skilled workers, competition in the jobs market then let's talk about those issues.
The thing I find highly suspect is that the people who claim to be against immigration on the grounds of the impact on the jobs market/low end workers actually don't give a hoot about those very people in other threads (which in my view implies an underline motive).
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What is it with this forum attracting political nut jobs? Not that long away we had a plethora of BNP brosters pushing their propaganda. Now its these UKIP fan boys, deliberatley making provocative posts, vying for attention like the daily fail is the New coming out of the closet.
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