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Price aside GTX 780 or R9 290?
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So this is it, your big list of AMD GPU problems? This is a thread about R9 290 or GTX780 and you bring in laptop problems as "proof" that AMD drivers cause hassle and need too many tweaks.
Same thing with people bringing in Frame Pacing or Crossfire problems. Neither of these issues are present on the R9 290. I have used CF 290/X cards on and off and all games are plug and play unless there is no profile. Same as Nvidia in fact, if you don't get an SLI profile it won't work or needs tweaking.
The OP asked about R9 290 or GTX780.
NOT Endure/Laptop
NOT Eyefinity or Crossfire
Yet the usual suspects are banging on the BS "Nvidia = plug and play and AMD is a complete hassle". I wonder how many current Nvidia issues I can find with a quick Google search. For the record I am not claiming Nvidia = hassle, just that it is easy to find fault if you go looking.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2065764/driver-problems-nvidia-geforce-updates.html
Seems like a lot of hassle and not "plug and play"
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/327414-nvidia-drivers-avoid-problems.html
http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=2142222
Ubuntu problem, but it's "proof" right?
http://askubuntu.com/questions/443818/problems-with-nvidia-gt630m-drivers
Anyone who spouts the "Nvidia = plug and play" BS is a troll pure and simple. I defy anyone here to claim they have never once tweaked their NVCP, or 3rd party NV inspector settings to get a game working better on their NV GPU.
Theres a fair bit of this going on in here.
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All the years and you can't get games to run properly?
I never have any trouble getting any game to run properly.
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And the point is? if I have never had an issue then what the hell? I still dont even use Frame pacing just go's to show how much I was effected. This could also be the fact I dont use Vsync was Frame pacing something to do with Vsync also? am sure it was.
Catalyst 13.8?
We have moved way beyond that now mate
Yes... and AMD were still fixing it in 14.1 beta. The stable branch still doesn't have a fix.
The 290P is a good choice, if you had gone with a 780 that would also have been a good choice as there is not a lot in it.
I can not believe this thread has taken 4 pages of debate.:
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Post of the thread. If you're continually having to faff around to get games to run properly, you're either:
a) not a gamer but a faffer who pretends to himself he's a gamer, not a faffer
b) someone who doesn't know what he is doing.
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Go to show how wrong you are 13.12 had Frame pacing
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst13-12WINReleaseNotes.aspx
That was for the new line of APU's and discrete gpu's in a hybrid crossfire setup as well as GCN1.0 cards above 1600P.( multi monitor)
Frame pacing was fixed back in August 2013 for crossfire on resolutions up to and including 1600P.
Its never been an issue on 290 cards.
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Heh. Had to tweak comps lots to run specific games, but it's almost universally a problem with the game not with the graphics card I'm using at the time.
No idea where the "AMD cards don't work out of the box" attitude comes from. Both have had issues, at the moment I've bigger problems with my nVidia setup than my AMD one but it's a laptop and they're a bit of a different ball game to desktop anyway. Generally I've had few problems with either in the past. I don't try every new driver that comes along as if the one I have works there is no point (unless I'm feeling like benching at that point in time), so I'm sure I've missed some broken ones from each side, but I really don't care.
If a more expensive card and a cheaper card were available for free I'd take the more expensive one, unless the cheaper one was noticably better. If they're similarish then the more expensive one is the safer choice as I can resell it for more if I so desire. So for the topic at hand I'd take a 780 over a 290 if price were not a factor at all. But then, I'm not after a top-end card from either manufacturer so I'd take neither were price a factor.
No idea where the "AMD cards don't work out of the box" attitude comes from. Both have had issues, at the moment I've bigger problems with my nVidia setup than my AMD one but it's a laptop and they're a bit of a different ball game to desktop anyway. Generally I've had few problems with either in the past. I don't try every new driver that comes along as if the one I have works there is no point (unless I'm feeling like benching at that point in time), so I'm sure I've missed some broken ones from each side, but I really don't care.
If a more expensive card and a cheaper card were available for free I'd take the more expensive one, unless the cheaper one was noticably better. If they're similarish then the more expensive one is the safer choice as I can resell it for more if I so desire. So for the topic at hand I'd take a 780 over a 290 if price were not a factor at all. But then, I'm not after a top-end card from either manufacturer so I'd take neither were price a factor.
So this is it, your big list of AMD GPU problems? This is a thread about R9 290 or GTX780 and you bring in laptop problems as "proof" that AMD drivers cause hassle and need too many tweaks.
Well, somebody was asking about AMD vs nVidia in terms of hassle in one of the posts. That's what I was replying to. I wasn't going for a big list of AMD GPU problems. I was going with a list of problems I've personally had with AMD.
Now it's true I don't own a R9 290 and therefore haven't had any personal experience with it, but by that rationale, unless you own both a R9 290 and a GTX 780, you wouldn't be allowed to comment on it either.
Incidentally, I do own a GTX 780... and two 7970Ms, four 7950s, a several other AMD cards... but I'm sure the R9 290 is very different from all the AMD cards I've ever owned...
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Certainly seems there's an awful lot of clueless, rich dorks topping the Benchmark charts here, along with far fewer knowledgable poor persons who actually know how to sort their system out...
One chart is almost completely green and there's even a 780 in the Top Ten!
That's more the sort of thing that swayed it for me.
My AMD kit had done me fine, but this time I chose to go green. Something about pretty lights on the card, I believe... Meh.
Checkmate. ICDP owns a 290 and a 780.
Okay. Then sure, under your rationale, you're now free to discard my opinion. On the flip side, you can no longer comment on hardware you don't own.
Good win
Checkmate. ICDP owns a 290 and a 780.
Okay. Then sure, under your rationale, you're now free to discard my opinion. On the flip side, you can no longer comment on hardware you don't own.
Good win
Unfortunately I don't own a 290 or a 780 but I do agree that they both work fine out of the box.
Checkmate. ICDP owns a 290 and a 780.
Okay. Then sure, under your rationale, you're now free to discard my opinion. On the flip side, you can no longer comment on hardware you don't own.
Good win
I don't generally comment negatively on specific hardware that i don't own. I've not said anything negatively about a 780 or Nvidia in this topic at least. I'm sure if i have someone will post about it shortly though.
The point i was trying to make is this is about a 290 and a 780. Issues that you had with a laptop card don't really seem relevant in the context of this thread. Certainly not enough to try and discourage someone from buying a 290 in my opinion.
Pair of 290s and a Titan. I think i'm doing something wrong because i didn't do any of this special tweaking to get them to work
In fact when i like you know play games with them! i can't really tell which system i'm using if i'm not monitoring FPS
In fact when i like you know play games with them! i can't really tell which system i'm using if i'm not monitoring FPS
The problem you're all making is that you're taking it as an absolute statement with two outcomes: works out the box or doesn't work out the box. Which is true when looking at your own experience in isolation but it doesn't reflect the statistical probability of having to make work arounds using card 'x'. For me, my 7950s were flawless when I had them running most of the time. CF and Eyefinity was a little bit messy when combined together but other than that they were alright. Skyrim needed RP to fix it which wasn't a problem for me but it's true that in that scenario the Radeons required more fiddling to get to GeForce standards.
I'm always by definition extremely sceptical about across the board statements but I think some of you are being a bit rude and aggressive to people with differing opinions which invariably are based on their own experiences. Some of the cries of 'if you had to do any fiddling you're a dunce' are a bit insulting but I'm hardly surprised the way this sub forum is going lately.
I'm always by definition extremely sceptical about across the board statements but I think some of you are being a bit rude and aggressive to people with differing opinions which invariably are based on their own experiences. Some of the cries of 'if you had to do any fiddling you're a dunce' are a bit insulting but I'm hardly surprised the way this sub forum is going lately.
I have had far less hassle with Nvidia cards and the drivers and software is a lot nicer to use but I still keep buying AMD cards as well. They both offer advantages but if deciding between the two and cost is no object I would marginally choose the 780.
And then sell it a month later and buy AMD and then Rinse and repeat.....
And then sell it a month later and buy AMD and then Rinse and repeat.....