Applying for a job that pays a much higher wage than you're on atm.....
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Don't present it like that or make it negative - yes you want to say that but do so in a positive way, that you do want to further your career, take on more challenges etc... don't make it all about money and don't talk negatively about your current role - just be keen about the new role, additional challenges, responsibility etc.. You're moving because the new role is better not because your current role is necessarily ****.
Good advice! Cheers mate. Will have a think over tonight how I want to present it. See what the Mrs thinks as well when she gets back tomorrow.
Don't lie.
Just tell them your whole package.
For example if you were on say 45k but you got healthcare, insurance, 30 day holidays, pension, company car and x% bonus. Tell them that your package is worth say 50k to you at the moment. So you may not be earning 50k, but your package is worth that much.
In my current role, when I was asked what I was on and what I wanted I told them my current package as a whole, and said I expected a better package, and I got it.Experience and skills help too, but you need to sell yourself UP rather than down. People will pay if they feel you're worth it.
Pretty much what I did in my current job.
Told them what everything I got was worth overall to me, lucky for me they came back with a basic of above that with the benefits on top
Sort of similar situation for when I applied for this job, they knew what I was on and they asked me what I wanted. There was no salary information on the ad and its a role where the salary range is potentially huge so was hard to gauge where to pitch myself!
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And a swift removal from the company when they realise you've misrepresented yourself.
Your current employer is not able to disclose your salary in a reference. The only way HR could check is with a P45. But then, maybe you haven't received a P45 or it's been lost? Maybe once HR have gone through the recruitment process they just pass stuff onto payroll who are not bothered about anything in the application process - they just want to set people up onto payroll.
Personally I'd lie if I felt it was such a big difference it might cause them to ask questions on your ability.
Personally I'd lie if I felt it was such a big difference it might cause them to ask questions on your ability.
50% jump in salary is also a pretty big difference for doing the same job.
Have you worked your way up through the company at your current employer? So perhaps they aren't paying you as much as they would somebody who was hired in for the role.
That kind of thing could be quite clear to a new employer, that you might not be getting paid as much, but you were dedicated to your previous company and have the experience to do the job effectively. It's also a good talking point in an interview, as its one reason you would leave, you feel they aren't rewarding you properly for the time you invest in them.
Have you worked your way up through the company at your current employer? So perhaps they aren't paying you as much as they would somebody who was hired in for the role.
That kind of thing could be quite clear to a new employer, that you might not be getting paid as much, but you were dedicated to your previous company and have the experience to do the job effectively. It's also a good talking point in an interview, as its one reason you would leave, you feel they aren't rewarding you properly for the time you invest in them.
I wouldn't hide your current package, if you are good enough for the role you are worthy of the package no matter what you might be on today. I have employed people over the years who I've paid significantly more than they were on and the basis you are asking the question suggests to me it's not big money, just a sensible uplift.
Of course if it is a commercial or sales role, where you are on performance related pay or commission then this will have influence.
Of course if it is a commercial or sales role, where you are on performance related pay or commission then this will have influence.
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Just lie on the application form. At least if you don't get the role you'll know it's your lack of ability rather than the salary
Don't do this....Tell them the truth and you just never know..... I don't think any company wants to employ a liar.
I had a thread around this a while back, it is a tough one.
Basically what I started doing was wherever possible not disclosing my current salary, so leaving it blank on form (if possible) and when asked by Agent/Recruitment Manager I'd explain politely that I didn't wish to disclose it at this stage of the process , and that I'd rather talk about my skills, experience, qualifications and benefits I could bring to the company. When pressed on the matter I'd state that I'm happy to discuss starting package, and that based on my profile and market rates for similar roles, I'd be expecting something in the £x-y range.
Lying is another option but try to word it carefully i.e. talk about the value of the package or similar i.e. have a canned explanation if it gets queried at any point.
Finally and this is just my personal standpoint, I'd only go down this route if I felt I was massively underpaid to an extent where I feel it would affect how seriously my application was being taken (i.e. "this guy is only getting paid £x, he can't have much true responsibility, his CV must be exaggerating"). If I were to be getting market rates, then I wouldn't try it on just to get a bigger raise.
Basically what I started doing was wherever possible not disclosing my current salary, so leaving it blank on form (if possible) and when asked by Agent/Recruitment Manager I'd explain politely that I didn't wish to disclose it at this stage of the process , and that I'd rather talk about my skills, experience, qualifications and benefits I could bring to the company. When pressed on the matter I'd state that I'm happy to discuss starting package, and that based on my profile and market rates for similar roles, I'd be expecting something in the £x-y range.
Lying is another option but try to word it carefully i.e. talk about the value of the package or similar i.e. have a canned explanation if it gets queried at any point.
Finally and this is just my personal standpoint, I'd only go down this route if I felt I was massively underpaid to an extent where I feel it would affect how seriously my application was being taken (i.e. "this guy is only getting paid £x, he can't have much true responsibility, his CV must be exaggerating"). If I were to be getting market rates, then I wouldn't try it on just to get a bigger raise.
Holy thread revival.
I also now have this issue, completing it is mandatory on the online aplication form.
I think it will have a negative impact on my chance, the job I do is higher paid in other companys.
On top of that the reason I want to leave is I am on a lower grade than everything else in the company doing the same job. The bosses blaming hr for that and they may be able to get me to the correct level by giving me work from my line manager hah (who is 3 grades higher)
TLDR:
Because of issues above the job I am applying to is a 7.5k wage increase per year. I think the difference will also be looked at more as it is low down on the wage scale,my current job is well under 20k.
The only thing I can think of adding is my real main wage plus my benefit of dominoes discount..... hah!
I also now have this issue, completing it is mandatory on the online aplication form.
I think it will have a negative impact on my chance, the job I do is higher paid in other companys.
On top of that the reason I want to leave is I am on a lower grade than everything else in the company doing the same job. The bosses blaming hr for that and they may be able to get me to the correct level by giving me work from my line manager hah (who is 3 grades higher)
TLDR:
Because of issues above the job I am applying to is a 7.5k wage increase per year. I think the difference will also be looked at more as it is low down on the wage scale,my current job is well under 20k.
The only thing I can think of adding is my real main wage plus my benefit of dominoes discount..... hah!
At that point of the pay scale it is irrelevant. You are in more junior positions, so salary across companies can vary wildly.
If you were on 50k, and looking at jobs on 80k, that is when more thought is needed.
That said, freefaller explained it perfectly. There are plenty of opportunities to explain the value of your total package (flexibility around your hours is worth a lot, as is remote working capability) so don't be put off.
If you were on 50k, and looking at jobs on 80k, that is when more thought is needed.
That said, freefaller explained it perfectly. There are plenty of opportunities to explain the value of your total package (flexibility around your hours is worth a lot, as is remote working capability) so don't be put off.
don't worry about it, my last job change gave me a pay rise of nearly 70%, they are more interested in not wasting their time interviewing people who wont accept the salary they are offering, they may offer you on the lower end of the pay scale but if its still nearly a 50% pay rise its still a good payrise
Because they will have seen exactly what you have earned so far divide that by the number of months you have worked this tax year and then times that by 12 to see whether you have been lying or not.
Given that most payroll departments can't even get their employees pay correct, do you really think they would check the current and past salaries of all new employees?
