David Moyes disgracefully sacked

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JohnnyG said:
Lol.
You said it was well documented that JM was desperate for the job & I asked you to at least show some proof which you couldn't of course because there isn't any just silly rumours.
JM said he never wanted the job but you didn't believe that you just wanted to go with the rumours. :p
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Well how come some one else has come out and said the same - and this point its you denying the obvious rather than anything other than that

dmcg said:
yes because fergy and perhaps david gill if that counts would have actually not made a gash of the transfer window
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That was 3/4 of the problem to start with. DM and Ed Woodward were novices at this level, even Gill with DM would have got a good level of players Utd needed last summer.
 
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Robbo said:
There's a big, big, big gap between winning the league and finishing 7th. Somewhere in the middle would have kept Moyes in a job, he's missed every reasonable target by a country mile.

A title challenge didn't matter for this season, but some positive performances, showing he was building towards something, and the right attitude all did; he delivered on none of them.
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True but he's also not entirely to blame!

topher said:
Imo the players let him down...
The only players who have seem bothered were rooney and de gea!!
RVP was the main reason manu won the league last season, and this season he's been injured a lot... however when he has played his attitude has been poor.

Think rvp had around 35 goals last season.. doubt he has half that atm.
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This!

It's the players that have let the club down, with a couple of exceptions!

Just watch MOTD from the weekend to highlight how players like Smalling, Nani etc just couldn't be bothered!

I still don't believe that without spending on a couple of reliable centre half's, an entire midfield and a backup striker at the beginning of this season, they were never going to be able to compete!
 
FrankJH said:
Well how come some one else has come out and said the same - and this point its you denying the obvious rather than anything other than that
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Because that's what happens with rumours some people choose to believe them even with no substance to them.
It's not obvious, what is obvious though is that you simply cannot back up your statement that he was desperate for the job as there's nothing factual to back it up with.
You can believe whatever hype you want, that's up to you, but don't be surprised if others prefer to base beliefs on real instances.
 
Are United really going to invest over £100m this summer? Is that wise? Hasn't everyone berated Spurs for doing that last summer?
 
StevieP said:
True but he's also not entirely to blame!
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I agree, but regardless of that I don't think he's the man to take the club forward. I'm relieved we got rid of him.

J-FRO said:
Are United really going to invest over £100m this summer? Is that wise? Hasn't everyone berated Spurs for doing that last summer?
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Important targets will be identified and we'll get whoever works out best, I doubt there's a set figure that must be spent.
 
Just read that Moyes was the shortest serving Man.U. manager since the War.
Breaking records 'til the end :cool:
 
StevieP said:
True but he's also not entirely to blame!



This!

It's the players that have let the club down, with a couple of exceptions!

Just watch MOTD from the weekend to highlight how players like Smalling, Nani etc just couldn't be bothered!

I still don't believe that without spending on a couple of reliable centre half's, an entire midfield and a backup striker at the beginning of this season, they were never going to be able to compete!
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Another thing is most the players aren't good enough!
How many of them would get in chelsea or citys team?
Infact I am gonna add liverpool, arsenal and everton to that list.

Probably Rooney, and rvp if he can be bothered.
 
Robbo said:
Important targets will be identified and we'll get whoever works out best, I doubt there's a set figure that must be spent.
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If you spend more than anyone else in the transfer window do you think you'll be favourites for the PL next year?
 
StevieP said:
So....no then!

Personally I think Man Utd massively overachieved winning the title last term given the personnel but that's another argument!

Without major investment in the summer last year I just can't see how Man Utd would have competed for the title irrespective of the manager!

Why doesn't anyone blame the players when a team loses??

Any team with Wellbeck, Smalling, Young, Cleverley and Fellaini as regular starters simply won't challenge for honours without the established players being rock-solid week-in, week-out! (Van Persie - injured, Ferdinand - disinterested and injured, Vidic - injury prone, the list goes on!)
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Do you want me to explain the definition of the word "might"?
 
Talbs13 said:
I think ANY manager would have struggled taking over from Ferguson. He inherited a **** poor-ageing team.
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Strongly disagree.

These players were in title winning form under Fergie. 2 months later, are you now suggesting that the players became so old and decrepit that they were not capable of finishing in the top 4? Please answer this one, as I'd genuinely like an explanation, if you have one.

The manager has take responsibility for being unable to get the most out of the players. The real skill is in working with existing players and getting the best out of them....not saying that I want to spend £200M and work with new players.

Of the 20 or so players we played with this season, only 2 improved (De Gea and Januzaj). The rest all declined, even the younger players, in their prime. Please explain this.

Fergie would no doubt have been competing to win the title, had he stayed, with the current players + £65M spend. He'd been doing this for the last 20 years and I don't see any difference this season.

The problem was Moyes - and the Glazers and their advisers all agreed with this.
 
JohnnyG said:
Because that's what happens with rumours some people choose to believe them even with no substance to them.
It's not obvious, what is obvious though is that you simply cannot back up your statement that he was desperate for the job as there's nothing factual to back it up with.
You can believe whatever hype you want, that's up to you, but don't be surprised if others prefer to base beliefs on real instances.
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Just because I cant find direct quotes doesnt mean they dont exist, or he wasnt thinking of it while around his time at Inter
 
JohnnyG said:
If you spend more than anyone else in the transfer window do you think you'll be favourites for the PL next year?
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If we spend £150M in the Summer AND we have a top manager in place, I totally expect us to have a chance of winning the title. We won't be favourites though.

Around Europe, if any manager spends that sort of money, failure to finish in the top 2 will almost certainly mean the sack. If Real Madrid / Barca spent £150M and failed to win the title, that manager WILL be sacked (not if).

Under Moyes we had reached a point where rival clubs felt that playing at Old Trafford was a guaranteed 3 points. Man City supporters were pleading for us not to sack Moyes - he was a laughing stock and the butt of many jokes. That's how bad things got.

It seems that Van Gaal is going to be our new manager and I know that soon, rival supporters/teams will be once again, be fearful of coming to Old Trafford. I think Van Gaal's Man Utd are going to be awesome.

EDIT: And for those of you are in any doubt that Moyes was improving or needed more time: read this list of negative records. He was breaking records right upto his last game and I have no doubt, given another 4 games, more negative records wouldve been broken.
 
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How'd you know van Gaal hasn't already signed a pre-contract agreement with Spurs? It's been heavily touted that he would be the next Spurs manager and if those reports were true then you'd have expected such an agreement to be in place already.
 
JohnnyG said:
If you spend more than anyone else in the transfer window do you think you'll be favourites for the PL next year?
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They would need 5 or 6 top level players to be considered anything like favourites IMO. Iam talking established world-class talents. To get that would cost probably close to £150 million in transfer fees alone. They need pretty much a new back 4 and at least a couple of quality midfielder that can take a game by scruff of neck and just dominate it. They have guys like Mata, Januzaj etc who can link the play in the final 3rd but they do require some real surgery to the rest of the team.

Even if they do spend £150 million+, the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and City might only need to spend a quarter to a half that and still be ahead. I do think though that a better manager would be able to get much, much more outnofmthe current group players than Moyes managed.
 
sunama said:
Strongly disagree.

These players were in title winning form under Fergie. 2 months later, are you now suggesting that the players became so old and decrepit that they were not capable of finishing in the top 4? Please answer this one, as I'd genuinely like an explanation, if you have one.

The manager has take responsibility for being unable to get the most out of the players. The real skill is in working with existing players and getting the best out of them....not saying that I want to spend £200M and work with new players.

Of the 20 or so players we played with this season, only 2 improved (De Gea and Januzaj). The rest all declined, even the younger players, in their prime. Please explain this.

Fergie would no doubt have been competing to win the title, had he stayed, with the current players + £65M spend. He'd been doing this for the last 20 years and I don't see any difference this season.

The problem was Moyes - and the Glazers and their advisers all agreed with this.
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RVP was the difference the season before. This season he's been injured a lot and when fit he was poor.

A lot of teams didnt perform last season (not a single team in the c league quarters). That and rvp won manu the title.

No manager with the current manu team would win the bpl this season.
 
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