Titan Z

[humbug]

Not with the cooler and power connectors it uses at the moment.

Temps are in the Mid 60's, the GPU's are rated to run at 94c, the cooler is plenty.

As for power, you can suck just about anything through the two 150 Watt PCB Rails, or add another.

I can get mine to pull 420 Watts through its 150 Watt and 75 Watt Rails simply by adding +50% to the Power Target and Furmarking it, its pulling about 270 Watts through them as it is out of the box in normal Gaming.

As long as the PSU's 12v Rails have the Amps its fine.

 

[Kaapstad]

Temps are in the Mid 60's, the GPU's are rated to run at 94c, the cooler is plenty.

As for power, you can suck just about anything through the two 150 Watt PCB Rails, or add another.

I can get mine to pull 420 Watts through its 150 Watt and 75 Watt Rails simply by adding +50% to the Power Target and Furmarking it, its pulling about 270 Watts through them as it is out of the box in normal Gaming.

As long as the PSU's 12v Rails have the Amps its fine.

Don't think so

You already have to make sure you are using a decent PSU with a 295 to avoid a fire hazard.

A full fat Hawaii chip @1200/1625 will use a bit more than anything you have put through your card yet.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-R9-295X2-8GB-Graphics-Card-Review/Card-Installation-Power-Consider

http://www.overclock.net/t/1480569/amd-r9-295x2-power-requirements-warning

 

[tayto_0]

Replacing the Titan Z cooler with an AIO solution is not going to happen. The cooler plays a big part in Nvidia marketing these cards as premium products.

Nvidia could allow AIB partners to bundle better cooling solutions/ water blocks with their cards like Gigabyte did when they sold the Titan with the Titan cooler and their WindForce cooler also bundled with it. Nice option to have. Keep the nice shiny cooler on it or use the uglier but potentially better cooler bundled with it.

Of course that's not going to happen but meh i'm bored

 

[Kaapstad]

Replacing the Titan Z cooler with an AIO solution is not going to happen. The cooler plays a big part in Nvidia marketing these cards as premium products.

Nvidia could allow AIB partners to bundle better cooling solutions/ water blocks with their cards like Gigabyte did when they sold the Titan with the Titan cooler and their WindForce cooler also bundled with it. Nice option to have. Keep the nice shiny cooler on it or use the uglier but potentially better cooler bundled with it.

Of course that's not going to happen but meh i'm bored

Definitely don't want an AIO cooler on there, what AMD have done by using one is too seriously limit the performance of the 295.

NVidia we want a nice big chuck of watercooled metal on there please and it would probably be cheaper than fitting an AIO solution to boot.

 

[Jak3 Mac]

Will it play minecraft at 1080p?

 

[tayto_0]

NVidia we want a nice big chuck of watercooled metal on there please and it would probably be cheaper than fitting an AIO solution to boot.

I'd love to see that as well, but i reckon it would alienate a large portion of what is already a very small target audience.

 

[humbug]

Don't think so

You already have to make sure you are using a decent PSU with a 295 to avoid a fire hazard.

A full fat Hawaii chip @1200/1625 will use a bit more than anything you have put through your card yet.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...-Card-Review/Card-Installation-Power-Consider

http://www.overclock.net/t/1480569/amd-r9-295x2-power-requirements-warning

Your making a mountain out of a mole hill, Its a none issue.

Its a 500 Watt GPU, at 250 Watts per GPU its actually quite efficient.

If i had a £ for everytime someone said AMD couldn't do this that and the other and then actually did it i would have a 295 x2 by now.

You don't thik a 790 or a Titan Z is going to use 500 Watts or more?

The power difference between a 780TI and a 290X is 10%, if anything, the 295 X2 is faster than 2x 780TI SLI and more efficient certainly than 2x 290X CF and probably 2x 780TI SLI.

Its Nvidia who have their work cut out to beat this thing, AMD are already setting pretty, if they want to make it faster they can give it more power, if you can overclock it so can they.

 

[Kaapstad]

Your making a mountain out of a mole hill, Its a none issue.

Its a 500 Watt GPU, at 250 Watts per GPU its actually quite efficient.

If i had a £ for everytime someone said AMD couldn't do this that and the other and then actually did it i would have a 295 x2 by now.

You don't thik a 790 or a Titan Z is going to use 500 Watts or more?

The power difference between a 780TI and a 290X is 10%, if anything, the 295 X2 is faster than 2x 780TI SLI and more efficient certainly than 2x 290X CF and probably 2x 780TI SLI.

Its Nvidia who have their work cut out to beat this thing, AMD are already setting pretty, if they want to make it faster they can give it more power, if you can overclock it so can they.

The bottom line is GK110 uses less power than Hawaii.

I am also not making a mountain out of a molehill as none of the reviews for the 295 are very any good when it comes to overclocking either.

AMD have already warned review sites about the possibility of fire due to stress on the 2 x 8 pin power setup with poor PSUs and this would only get worse if any one finds a way to get more power into the card.

I also don't think the temps the AIO cooler runs at are a good basis for going even higher with an overclock and yet more heat to get rid of.

The 295 is fine to run @1018/1250 stock but it is severely limited if you want to go higher.

As to the Titan Z as I have said before this card will also be severely limited due to air cooling and it's non appearance may have something to do with NVidia having a rethink/redesign at the moment.

Both of these cards are crap for overclocking, what it comes down to though is if NVidia can solve the problem of keeping the Titan Z cool then it will be less crap than the 295 due to using less power in the first place.

If either AMD or NVidia were serious about performance they would have given these cards 3 x 8 pin power connectors but then they would have an even bigger problem with keeping the cards cool enough.

 

[humbug]

The bottom line is GK110 uses less power than Hawaii.

I am also not making a mountain out of a molehill as none of the reviews for the 295 are very any good when it comes to overclocking either.

AMD have already warned review sites about the possibility of fire due to stress on the 2 x 8 pin power setup with poor PSUs and this would only get worse if any one finds a way to get more power into the card.

I also don't think the temps the AIO cooler runs at are a good basis for going even higher with an overclock and yet more heat to get rid of.

The 295 is fine to run @1018/1250 stock but it is severely limited if you want to go higher.

As to the Titan Z as I have said before this card will also be severely limited due to air cooling and it's non appearance may have something to do with NVidia having a rethink/redesign at the moment.

Both of these cards are crap for overclocking, what it comes down to though is if NVidia can solve the problem of keeping the Titan Z cool then it will be less crap than the 295 due to using less power in the first place.

If either AMD or NVidia were serious about performance they would have given these cards 3 x 8 pin power connectors but then they would have an even bigger problem with keeping the cards cool enough.

Nvidia will run into the same power constraints AMD have, don't delude yourself.

AMD did very well to get 2 full fat Hawaii GPU's at more than full 290X clock rates on one PCB and shave 100 Watts off what they would normally need to be powered.

Don't concern yourself too much with AMD, they have done what many (including i believe; you) said could not be done.

Its Nvidia who need to step up to the plate.

 

[Kaapstad]

Nvidia will run into the same power constraints AMD have, don't delude yourself.

That is the whole point GK110 uses less power than Hawaii even AMD would tell you that.

AMD did very well to get 2 full fat Hawaii GPU's at more than full 290X clock rates on one PCB and shave 100 Watts off what they would normally need to be powered.

Going by the power usage figures AMD have not shaved anything off the usage figures, if anything they are extremely poor for a dual card where you often get considerable power savings.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_295_X2/22.html

Don't concern yourself too much with AMD, they have done what many (including i believe; you) said could not be done.

Its Nvidia who need to step up to the plate.

What I have been saying for a long time was a dual Hawaii card needed to be watercooled to run properly and it seems AMD have proved me right. Unfortunately they have only done half the job with an AIO solution leaving the card limited for overclocking.

Also where AMD have gone first they have left the door open for NVidia to step up to the plate and if they fit the Titan Z or GTX 790 with a full cover waterblock it will be game over.

Now if you had mentioned NVidia's pricing for the Titan Z you would have had a solid argument.

 

[humbug]

That is the whole point GK110 uses less power than Hawaii even AMD would tell you that.




Going by the power usage figures AMD have not shaved anything off the usage figures, if anything they are extremely poor for a dual card where you often get considerable power savings.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_295_X2/22.html




What I have been saying for a long time was a dual Hawaii card needed to be watercooled to run properly and it seems AMD have proved me right. Unfortunately they have only done half the job with an AIO solution leaving the card limited for overclocking.

Also where AMD have gone first they have left the door open for NVidia to step up to the plate and if they fit the Titan Z or GTX 790 with a full cover waterblock it will be game over.

Now if you had mentioned NVidia's pricing for the Titan Z you would have had a solid argument.

You're TPU Link

Power Consumption 'Peak' = 500

Power Consumption 'Max' = 646

Peak is normal gaming, Max; they cranked up the Power Limit and then stuck it on Furmark.

You can't do that with Nvidia as they only let you have +6% vs AMD +50%

It completely skues that measure and makes it look like something its not.

Perhaps AMD should do what Nvidia do and not let you go over the power target by more than 6%, just to look better in reviews.

You're not an idiot, and neither am i.

 

[jh30uk]

Mod bios for Fermi/Kepler to 200/300%.

 

[triss]

You're TPU Link

Power Consumption 'Peak' = 500

Power Consumption 'Max' = 646

Peak is normal gaming, Max; they cranked up the Power Limit and then stuck it on Furmark.

You can't do that with Nvidia as they only let you have +6% vs AMD +50%

It completely skues that measure and makes it look like something its not.

Perhaps AMD should do what Nvidia do and not let you go over the power target by more than 6%, just to look better in reviews.

You're not an idiot, and neither am i.

Even without o/cing isnt the 295x2 running out of spec and pulling more then whats the safe recommended power limits (as per ATX Spec)

Since as even you admit ti's use 10% less power surely will be even easier for Nvidia to make a more efficient dual gpu since the single solution is already more efficient

 

[Orangey]

http://www.techspot.com/review/802-amd-radeon-r9-295x2/page2.html

 

[triss]

Thanks Orangey interesting review
Nice to see some older cards still in reviews

 

[Yaayuh!]

Thanks Orangey interesting review
Nice to see some older cards still in reviews

+1 They seem to be cutting out the GTX690 from reviews of late.

Also, funny looking TitanZ review... The 295x2 thread is that'a way -> http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18592087&highlight=295x2

 

[ubersonic]

I also don't think the temps the AIO cooler runs at are a good basis for going even higher with an overclock and yet more heat to get rid of.

The 295 is fine to run @1018/1250 stock but it is severely limited if you want to go higher.

It's cooling is limited by it's fan profile which is not user adjustable. The fan profile is tuned for acoustics. Anyone serious about cooling can simply replace the 1800RPM stock fan with a GT1850 and gain performance without increasing noise, or install a SP120 high performance model.

 

[LtMatt]

It's cooling is limited by it's fan profile which is not user adjustable. The fan profile is tuned for acoustics. Anyone serious about cooling can simply replace the 1800RPM stock fan with a GT1850 and gain performance without increasing noise, or install a SP120 high performance model.

Not forgetting push pull on the rad.

I'd be slapping two Gentle Typhoon 1850 RPM fans on that rad if it was me. That would bring temps down into the low 60's - high 50's i bet.

 

[Chesney420]

What's the going rate for organs these days? Anybody looking for a thoroughly used liver or a slightly charred lung?

 

[Gibbo]

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