!MUSLIM SAMWICH ARMYGEDDON!

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Thompson_NCL said:
Which specific atrocities are you thinking of? Do you have some specific events in mind?
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You could discuss the following:

Emperer Karl Charlemagne's slaughter of Saxons in 782
Steding/Altenesch massacre in 1234
Battle of Belgrade 1456
16th and 17th century killing of Irish Gaels
Semlin and Weiselberg crusade campaigns in Hungary in 1096
Crusades in Turkey: Xerigordon 1096, Antioch 1098
Crusaders in Jerusalem 1099
Crusaders in Askalon 1099
The European Inquisitions against, eg. Cathars in France (Carcasonne/Languedoc 1209-1229) etc.
Catholics vs Protestants & Hussites (15th - 17th century)
More recently there were the Spanish in South America and Settlers in North America, both against native peoples.
Also up for discussion: Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s

I am very careful to offer them up for discussion. They are all discussed at length by scholars of history. Of course, in these discussions most people are arguing from an existing position and many struggle to be impartial. (Is it ever possible to be truly impartial ?)
 
cheesyboy said:
I think you're setting the frame wrongly on this. If you want pork, you don't go to a Halal shop.

Nobody has to do without pork - you can eat as much as you want. Just not from a Halal establishment.
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I'm tolerant of other cultures and beliefs. I have no issue, as long as me, as a non-believer, do not end up losing out.

Why are muslims never appreciative of both sides? It's always 'stop selling this, stop doing this' rather than 'we would like this to be an option'..

People wonder why muslims get so much stick when they end up making demands (and getting them) such as this.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
You could discuss the following:
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They are all very insignificant really, compared to stuff that happened in the 1900's. So your statement that "Christianity was by far the worst perpetrator of atrocities against mankind since it was founded as an organisation" is a load of nonsense as Thompson pointed out, the have been much worse.
 
ubersonic said:
They are all very insignificant really, compared to stuff that happened in the 1900's. So your statement that "Christianity was by far the worst perpetrator of atrocities against mankind since it was founded as an organisation" is a load of nonsense as Thompson pointed out, the have been much worse.
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Thompson is right that in the last century Communism has killed more people (Millions upon millions) than anything else.
 
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robgmun said:
Thompson is right that in the last century Communism has killed more people (Millions upon millions) then anything else.
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The Russian Orthodox Church (Christian) has always held much sway within Russian politics - they have very close ties. The USSR was certainly not untouched by their hand.

(other communist societies are available)
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
You could discuss the following:

Emperer Karl Charlemagne's slaughter of Saxons in 782
Steding/Altenesch massacre in 1234
Battle of Belgrade 1456
16th and 17th century killing of Irish Gaels
Semlin and Weiselberg crusade campaigns in Hungary in 1096
Crusades in Turkey: Xerigordon 1096, Antioch 1098
Crusaders in Jerusalem 1099
Crusaders in Askalon 1099
The European Inquisitions against, eg. Cathars in France (Carcasonne/Languedoc 1209-1229) etc.
Catholics vs Protestants & Hussites (15th - 17th century)
More recently there were the Spanish in South America and Settlers in North America, both against native peoples.
Also up for discussion: Bosnian Muslims in the 1990s

I am very careful to offer them up for discussion. They are all discussed at length by scholars of history. Of course, in these discussions most people are arguing from an existing position and many struggle to be impartial. (Is it ever possible to be truly impartial ?)
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I'd struggle to say the Christians were to blame for the Crusades, given that they were launched in response to Islamic expansion and ostensibly in defence of Byzantium. They were certainly religious in nature, but were at least in part instigated by the Muslims.

The Spanish & Portuguese in the Americas did have a religious aspect to it, namely that the Pope had granted them these lands in order to convert the people. However by the far the biggest killer was disease, which was an unintended consequence.

I'd also add the Teutonic Order in Lithuania to the list myself, that was perhaps one of the most transparent examples of Christian aggression.

The Russian Orthodox Church (Christian) has always held much sway within Russian politics - they have very close ties. The USSR was certainly not untouched by their hand.

(other communist societies are available)
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The orthodox church had very little influence in the Communist era, which is why it's rather ironic that they are so eager to lick the hands of Putin (ex KGB).
 
cheesyboy said:
The Russian Orthodox Church (Christian) has always held much sway within Russian politics - they have very close ties. The USSR was certainly not untouched by their hand.

(other communist societies are available)
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I was actually thinking of the millions that died in China due to the "Cultural Revolution" In the 50's and 60's
 
Epic troll thread from the OP. Hook, line...

*Applauds

Personally I don't mind if they serve halal. Would I prefer the option of having ham in my sandwich, yes but I very rarely go there and usually get something else anyway. Subway can do what they like, if they've done the research and feel its more economically beneficial to do this then so be it. Well done to them.
 
cheesyboy said:
The Russian Orthodox Church (Christian) has always held much sway within Russian politics - they have very close ties. The USSR was certainly not untouched by their hand.

(other communist societies are available)
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O.o

The Russian Orthodox church was banned in the USSR, state atheism saw people of any and all religions punished for attempting to follow them. In fact Soviet state atheism caused more deaths than any of the Christian atrocities Tuppy mentioned...
 
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ubersonic said:
They are all very insignificant really, compared to stuff that happened in the 1900's. So your statement that "Christianity was by far the worst perpetrator of atrocities against mankind since it was founded as an organisation" is a load of nonsense as Thompson pointed out, the have been much worse.
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It wasn't my statement :) But anyway, insignificant in what respect ?
 
Thompson_NCL said:
I'd struggle to say the Christians were to blame for the Crusades, given that they were launched in response to Islamic expansion and ostensibly in defence of Byzantium. They were certainly religious in nature, but were at least in part instigated by the Muslims.
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My list was simply atrocities allegedly committed in the name of Christianity, I'm not considering blame at all. Blame is, of course, such a subjective issue.

Regarding secular atrocities, I thought we were comparing between religious groups only. Are we now saying that atheists are worse than any of the religions ? Should we be anti-atheist ? :D
 
Can't see this thread lasting much longer.

Subway sells star out swearing food so not really interested but making a change to generate income from the targeted demographic is sound logic.
 
You do realise that around the early 1900s that the British Gased the Kurds too?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.arts

The British responded with gas attacks by the army in the south, bombing by the fledgling RAF in both north and south. When Iraqi tribes stood up for themselves, we unleashed the flying dogs of war to "police" them. Terror bombing, night bombing, heavy bombers, delayed action bombs (particularly lethal against children) were all developed during raids on mud, stone and reed villages during Britain's League of Nations' mandate. The mandate ended in 1932; the semi-colonial monarchy in 1958. But during the period of direct British rule, Iraq proved a useful testing ground for newly forged weapons of both limited and mass destruction, as well as new techniques for controlling imperial outposts and vassal states.
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Are people in this thread genuinely thinking that we should bow down to discriminatory pressure from an invasive culture because of the Christian crusades?

Maybe we should wake up each and every day to flay ourselves and invite the Africans over and offer ourselves as slaves to them to apologise for the slave trade.

Ir donate our wealth to China for our abuse of their lands and ports during the tea wars?
 
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