Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

Who will you be voting for?

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Shadez said:
I see no promise of a referendum in what you have posted. Just a deceleration that Edward heath did something he new to be wrong (sounds like a typical politician to me).
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"Edward Heath declared that it would be wrong if any Government contemplating membership of the European Community were to take this step without `the full hearted consent of Parliament and people'."

And at the time he told us on TV we would get a vote on it. Yes I was there shocker.

And di you know we are no better off joining the EU then we was before? Yes FACT.

Get UKIP in and spice it up a bit.
 
Superficial said:
not quite:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/474068/Civitas-report-says-EU-lends-Britain-s-exports-no-benefit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27284489
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That's one a very specific economic benefit that may or may not be accurate. Deuse stated that we are no better off since joining the EU. That must be an opinion due to the fact that depending on your subjective decisions on what parts are more important and what are not, you may get wildly different conclusions. You can not have an objective outcome on such a high level in a such a complex domain.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
That's one a very specific economic benefit that may or may not be accurate. Deuse stated that we are no better off since joining the EU. That must be an opinion due to the fact that depending on your subjective decisions on what parts are more important and what are not, you may get wildly different conclusions. You can not have an objective outcome on such a high level in a such a complex domain.
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I actually do not, necessarily, disagree. However there is some evidence for his opinion which your single line does not take into consideration.

The points you make, btw, could just as easily be made for the other side of the argument.
 
Superficial said:
I actually do not, necessarily, disagree. However there is some evidence for his opinion which your single line does not take into consideration.

The points you make, btw, could just as easily be made for the other side of the argument.
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Whilst it may not be a completely baseless opinion, it is still very much an opinion and yes, I am aware that this goes both ways. Like I said, your value of the UK's membership depends on what benefits or otherwise you personally value. Some people value the free movement of people and labour, some don't. You can argue that there is an economic benefit or disadvantage to the UK through that policy, which would be objective although very hard to gather enough information to make any conclusion reliable.
 
deuse said:
Did you miss
"Edward Heath declared that it would be wrong if any Government contemplating membership of the European Community were to take this step without `the full hearted consent of Parliament and people'."

And at the time he told us on TV we would get a vote on it. Yes I was there shocker.

And di you know we are no better off joining the EU then we was before? Yes FACT.

Get UKIP in and spice it up a bit.
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Ok i submit, some long dead politician lied to my parents about joining the EU. Because of this we are now no worse off than before.

As a result i shall now vote UKIP in the EU elections because what we need to improve the UK in Europe is a bunch of euro skeptics who dont bother turning up for debates and votes.

Yes this will really shake things up and teach those euro lovers a lesson. A lesson that they can pass any law or regulation and the UK doesn't care.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Whilst it may not be a completely baseless opinion, it is still very much an opinion and yes, I am aware that this goes both ways. Like I said, your value of the UK's membership depends on what benefits or otherwise you personally value. Some people value the free movement of people and labour, some don't. You can argue that there is an economic benefit or disadvantage to the UK through that policy, which would be objective although very hard to gather enough information to make any conclusion reliable.
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Can I just say that I whole heartedly agree with you. There are always multiple aspects to every discussion. but undoubtedly the economic argument is, not only the basis for which this country voted FOR the common Market, a huge point.

I do, however, disagree with dismissing comments out of hand as opinion when they are not simply opinion. If we read the articles we can see how well Switzerland has done by creating its own trade agreements. I was genuinely shocked at that report.

Having said that there could well be another in a week saying the exact opposite...
 
Superficial said:
Can I just say that I whole heartedly agree with you. There are always multiple aspects to every discussion. but undoubtedly the economic argument is, not only the basis for which this country voted FOR the common Market, a huge point.
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Indeed, but like I said, I've very skeptical of any study on this due to the fact it's so hard to get reliable and representative data to make a conclusion.

Superficial said:
I do, however, disagree with dismissing comments out of hand as opinion when they are not simply opinion. If we read the articles we can see how well Switzerland has done by creating its own trade agreements.
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I wasn't dismissing the comment, merely pointing out the inaccuracy. As for Switzerland, we need to be careful that we're not comparing apples with oranges. Switzerland doesn't export the service based products in the way we do and that does benefit quite fundamentally from the ease of travel and lack of work regulation. How much is unknown though.
 
spankingtexan said:
Freedom of speech deleted. OCUK forum first in on losing our human rights.
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Unfortunately freedom of speech was recently removed by a EU parliament vote of 501 for and 500 against (UKIP abstained from the vote because they are happy to ruin the UK in the hope we leave the EU):p
 
Burnsy2023 said:
As for Switzerland, we need to be careful that we're not comparing apples with oranges. Switzerland doesn't export the service based products in the way we do and that does benefit quite fundamentally from the ease of travel and lack of work regulation.
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A point well made. Shaky ground using Switzerland as an example...starting to sound like Nigel Farage lol.
 
Probably Conservative, lib-dems are a joke and labour are a bunch of thick ****s, UKIP or Green are a vote for labour and I also don't like their ideas on Europe.

Saying that, I don't want a referendum on the EU either as all the thickos in the country will vote to leave.

It's a tough one really.
 
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