Anyone gone back to w7?

Glaucus said:
What do you mean by "fresh" have you done a decent virus scan. This isn't caused by win8
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By 'Fresh' I Mean Brand new instollation using the ISO i got from MS using the Key.

I have done many Virus scans with a lot of different scanners.
 
Tute said:
Well it really does - unless you have a mechanical HDD it's perfectly valid to say "What benefits?".
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You just being stubborn now,we all know what new benefits/features Win8 has ,improved security ,battery life,Reset ,Refresh etc....I don't need to list them.


I know my Win8.1 laptop has improved battery life over Win7 which it had before.


Bottomline I never go back to Win7,looking forward to Win9 :) .

I could also argue Win7 offered nothing much over Vista,slight speed increase and less UAC nagging,at least Win8 offers more that what Win7 ever did over Vista.
 
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Tute said:
Nothing stubborn about it - I'm asking you to give me a tangiable benefit for the average user (i.e one without a touchscreen).

I was under the impression that W8 wasn't improving battery life either?

http://blog.laptopmag.com/tested-windows-7-beats-windows-8-in-battery-life-file-copy-more

And stop rolling out "improved security" as a benefit - that's utter rubbish as W7 is still being supported.
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http://www.howtogeek.com/128182/6-ways-windows-8-is-more-secure-than-windows-7/ ,http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/windows-8-improves-battery-life-and-speed/#!Oi1jn




There is more to security then just updates.
I could also argue Linux has some great security over Win7 or any Windows,but then I think we all know that.



Security is always going to be a concern for both the home and corporate user, even more so when you consider many users work from home PCs and other personal devices. As an IT admin looking to ensure the greatest level of security, you should give serious consideration to adopting Windows 8.1 instead of Windows 7.
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http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/windows-81-the-key-security-improvements-229263


Btw have a look a this more modern Win8.1 v Win7 http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-software/21919/windows-81-vs-windows-7-which-is-best-for-you

3 - Performance

Microsoft revamped the engine under the hood of Windows 8. The result is a faster system which consumes fewer resources than Windows 7, making it a good choice for low-end PCs.

The new OS redesign uses simple colors and fewer visual effects, drawing fewer resources than Windows 7’s Aero Glass effect.

Windows 8.1 performs better than 7 in everyday use and benchmarks. Extensive testing has revealed improvements in tests like PCMark Vantage and Sunspider but the differences are minimal.

Winner - Windows 8 - It’s faster and less resource intensive.


5 - Security

Keeping a PC secure is vital for individuals and businesses. As the most popular desktop operating system, Windows is the primary target for malware and viruses.

Windows 7 and 8.1 share security features. Both use BitLocker Drive encryption, but 8.1 enables it automatically. You can download Microsoft Security Essentials free for Windows 7, but its younger brother has it built into the system.

8.1 also includes support for secure booting on UEFI systems, making it harder for rogue malware to infect the bootloader. PCs running 8.1 can also automatically connect to VPNs.

Winner - Windows 8 - It’s got more security features set as default.

Read more: http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-soft...windows-7-which-is-best-for-you#ixzz31ztTmzAw



8 - Data transfers done right

Windows 7 handled copying or moving data the wrong way. When it encountered a name collision between two files, it interrupted the transfer with a prompt asking the user what to do. It would also stack individual windows for each transfer.



Windows 8 cleans that up. It puts all the transfers in one window and pushes name collision dialogues until the end. The Windows guys even tried to make transfer time estimations more accurate.

Winner - Windows 8 - Not only does it transfer data faster but Windows 8 ensure less interruptions - and the time estimates are more accurate.

Read more: http://www.itpro.co.uk/desktop-soft...-which-is-best-for-you/page/0/1#ixzz31zsnQDru
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Plenty more in the link.
 
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8.1 over 7, easy choice. While both are great, 8.1 is a step forward, everything runs great. It's not for everyone, some people just hate change...etc
 
Elevon said:
1. Again its all relative is Vista or Win8 a bad OS? ..No ,FUD is always around and what users perceive means nothing,half of them don't have a clue and follow the masses,some have never used the OS in question,a lot can't even install a simple driver.

2. Compatibility is always an issue even on Win7,some still use XP because their software won't work on Win7,but that does not mean its a bad OS.

3. Last point just remember Win7 is based on Vista with improvements,its easy to improve on any OS given time with drivers available(7 had this advantage over Vista since it could also use Vista drivers,Vista had to rely on companies to get drivers out the door) and Win7 also had newer faster hardware available.
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1. Vista brought on a lot of changes, which alienated a lot of users, because it broke a lot of things. Just remember, Windows is an Operating System so it should Operate the system, not cause things to break and this is what most people who aren't techies believe, hence the slow take up of new versions of Windows. Windows 7 (and 8) still uses Vista's Kernel (Version 6), therefore that's why most programs still work on all three.

2. No, but see above.

3. Windows Vista runs slower on older hardware than Windows 7 does on the same hardware. Windows 7 is a refined Vista, (and as mentioned in many places !"It's what Vista should have been") and those refinements are enough to remove the alienation to some degree.

Usually Microsoft screw things up when they do a major update to the Windows Kernel as this changes the way Windows operates, breaking a large amount of programs written during the era of the older Kernel. In Windows 8's case they did it by changing the way People interact with their machines, which unfortunately has not worked out for them as well as they hoped. Improvements made by Windows 8 are now largely overlooked and irrelevant to most people, due to the lack of popularity of the Start Screen.
 
PapaLazaru said:
It is quicker to navigate and it is quicker in general.
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Personally I find Windows 7 far quicker to navigate, but again that comes down to that not everyone has the same approach to the way they use the OS and for me Windows 8 UI wise is a horrid abortion none the least the explorer windows look like something out of a beta build of Windows 95.

The only real advantage I see to Windows 8 is that it does perform noticeably better on low and mid range hardware and improved the file copy dialog, security ultimately isn't an order of magnitude better than 7 in any way that still won't come down more to how switched on the user is than anything else. Personally the start screen isn't for me and even on an 8" touchscreen I just don't use it and find the desktop more efficent (with some appropriate adjustment of menu font size).
 
linktoinsanity said:
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1. Vista brought on a lot of changes, which alienated a lot of users, because it broke a lot of things. Just remember, Windows is an Operating System so it should Operate the system, not cause things to break and this is what most people who aren't techies believe, hence the slow take up of new versions of Windows. Windows 7 (and 8) still uses Vista's Kernel (Version 6), therefore that's why most programs still work on all three.

2. No, but see above.

3. Windows Vista runs slower on older hardware than Windows 7 does on the same hardware. Windows 7 is a refined Vista, (and as mentioned in many places !"It's what Vista should have been") and those refinements are enough to remove the alienation to some degree.

Usually Microsoft screw things up when they do a major update to the Windows Kernel as this changes the way Windows operates, breaking a large amount of programs written during the era of the older Kernel. In Windows 8's case they did it by changing the way People interact with their machines, which unfortunately has not worked out for them as well as they hoped. Improvements made by Windows 8 are now largely overlooked and irrelevant to most people, due to the lack of popularity of the Start Screen.
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Compatibility is always an issue to some degree,I know some business people that use specialize software on XP that is not available on Win7/8 etc...look at how many anti-virus software programs would not work on Win8 until the companies in question updated them,Microsoft has always done some interaction change over the decades, remember DOS getting phased out to Windows and Win3.11 changing over to Win95,Win8 is just another example of that,but as usual some users need to be spoon fed rather then adapt like I've since DOS to all the changes in Microsoft Operating Systems.

I could throw in Linux on how many changes that has gone through on many distros including Start menus etc but I won't.
I do wonder sometimes how we got out of the stone age the way some people can't handle simple things.

I've been lucky since I think only ever had two or three programs that I had to replace(purchased updated newer version that was compatible) from Vista to Win8.
Again Vista was a good OS and Win7 only really brought speed increase less UAC nagging IMHO.

Regardless it'll be interesting to see what some users moan about in Win9,10 etc or what they can't handle,it seems once they get pass the ON button things start getting hard for them :rolleyes: .


Btw I could also mention when we (DOS users)moved/ upgraded to Windows for good when DOS was phased out , a lot of my DOS programs were broke due to compability, again it's all relative.
 
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In Windows 8's case they did it by changing the way People interact with their machines, which unfortunately has not worked out for them as well as they hoped. Improvements made by Windows 8 are now largely overlooked and irrelevant to most people, due to the lack of popularity of the Start Screen.
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That depends how you look at it,I still use mouse and keyboard like I have done since Win3.1 etc it's still a simple mouse click in general(that is hard for some I know).

Also my usage for Win8/8.1 is the same as it was for Win7 for the most part.

As to layout changes I think some people are naive,layout/GUI changes have happened with Microsoft for many decades, look at history,it'll happen again in the future regardless of what we think is good or bad,as usual I adapt regardless only thing that works great for me,too bad others can't adapt like I have since DOS days.

I do expect GUI/layout changes again and again in the future, too bad others get stuck in the past and want things to stay the same forever.
 
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Elevon said:
There is more to security then just updates.
I could also argue Linux has some great security over Win7 or any Windows,but then I think we all know that.
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Well yes, but the chances of Windows going open source? :p

Plenty more in the link.
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These all still seem pretty minimal differences? I mean come on, what's the killer feature that's going to make Windows 7 users sit up and listen?

"Well, you get a small performance increase, and we've bundled a free virus scanner with it."

"But on the flipside, we've pushed our touchscreen centric UI on you, and if you don't like it you have to bother with a third party mod."

This is the problem I have with W8 every time I install it. I try to force myself to like it but after a week I'm just left thinking "well, it feels exactly the same to use as Windows 7 except for the fact that I have to bother to get used to Metro". What's the benefit of persisting and making myself get used to Metro?

It annoys me because I want to like Windows 8. I really do - it feels weird running a version of Windows that isn't the latest. But at the same time, why do I feel like I'm forcing myself to use Windows 8 every time I install it?
 
Elevon said:
I do expect GUI/layout changes again and again in the future, too bad others get stuck in the past and want things to stay the same forever.
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Thing is thats precisely what most users want from an OS - for them that is all the OS exists for - to have what they want where they want it and where they expect it to be - anything else is a bad product for them.

While theres always a certain resistance to change, previous OS mostly looked at and built on the way people worked with the OS to improve the experience - certain versions went another way and didn't go down very well. The start menu for instance didn't come around by chance or on a whim and while not to everyones taste or needs was an extension of the way people worked with the OS (several operating systems had started to implement similiar and/or 3rd party taskbar/button bars were popular).

Windows 95-XP still bundled progman for those who preferred that way of working with the OS though it didn't seem to be very well known - which strangely in some ways is not dissimilar to the start screen and while some people preferred it it wasn't by accident that most people preferred a start menu style replacement for that functionality.
 
It's really not about wanting things to stay the same at all. Whenever I see someone trot that line out I just assume they're flamebaiting as it's just not appropriate in a lot of cases.

I would love it - absolutely love it - if Microsoft secretly had a team locked away working on a brand spanking new UI for mouse and keyboard users that brings together and encompasses everything they've learnt over the past two decades.
 
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