Does this seem reasonable? Employer query

zipp0r said:
tell them you're taking off 6hrs that day to make up for the overtime you did.
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That would go down like a lead balloon.
Trust me on that :(.

The comments about those who work late cannot manage their time is not always true.
I am so overloaded I could work 12 hour days no problem, but I get no thanks for doing so, so I don't do that much extra anymore.
 
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OpenToSuggestions said:
That would go down like a lead balloon.
Trust me on that :(.

The comments about those who work late cannot manage their time is not always true.
I am so overloaded I could work 12 hour days no problem, but I get no thanks for doing so, so I don't do that much extra anymore.
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So you're actually doing the work of 2 positions and not one?

Its pretty clear you need to find another job or just get used to working extra hours for free and live with it..

Its a ****** kind of employer that doesnt even give its own staff time off to attend a funeral of one of its own long serving employees!

At least if they decide to lay you off you will be entitled to redundancy payment

Some employers keep employees on temporary contracts and get rid of them before 2 years and either hire someone else or rejig the rest of the employee shift contracts.
 
do your contracted hours only, i learnt the hard way, the company does not think anymore of you and you wont get anything from it
if they get funny its time to look for another job

sounds like you should be looking anyway
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
Hey all.
I have a query about whether I am being reasonable.
I have a colleague's funeral I wish to attend - My supervisor has passed away. I would be out the office for around 2-2.5 hours to attend his funeral.

I have been told I am not allowed to attend unless I make the time up, which itself is an OK comment and is in line with company policy.

However yesterday I had to do a job which involved me working for 15 hours, which is 6 hours for free. After I got home I had to wash all my clothes too as I stank due to where I had been working.
The two events are mutually exclusive, but as an employee who does a good job (afaik of course), is never late and is never off sick, this is a little on the unfair side.

Am I being reasonable expecting to attend the passing of a colleague?
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Seems perfectly reasonable to have the 2-3 hours off for a funeral when you worked much longer the day before.

I your employer is not happy with that then start looking for a new job.

A good employee-employer relationship will mean you are both flexible. I often work late or on weekends, but then I am not clocked in an can work 5-6 hours to leave wokr early on other days, or go off to the doctors etc.

If you don't have the flexibility where you can mis a few hours work now and then then your employer cannot expect you to do 6hrs of extra time without renumeration.
 
Who is telling you this can you take it up higher because this is not an equitable partnership for you and also due to your feelings resulting from this for them either.
 
MrMoonX said:
Well if they are not being sensible, stop working over your contracted hours for free! I never understand why people do this anyway, you should at least get TOIL
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Meanwhile in the real-world that is not how life works!

However, as I said, if an employer excepts you to regular work longer hours (which is the norm in many industries, and you would soon be fired if you didn't) hen they have to be flexible the other way and let you do less hours when you need to.
 
Wow you are being mugged in broad daylight.
You should sit down after you go to the funeral and book a time to speak to your manager. They wont Fire you if what you say is true because you are doing the work of two people for half the price !

Good luck sorting it out, is there a Union you are part of or can get advise from ?

Sorry to hear about the guy and pay your respects at his funeral.

Thats a complete 1 way relationship they have with you.... If you were paid by the Hour then Id understand doing Extra hours if available.... Get a new contracT?
 
NEVER work for free.

Do your contracted hours then leave. That can NEVER look bad on you. Thinking otherwise just makes you a bit of a softy/tit IMO.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
My employer does not do this.
I have my contracted hours and am always expected to do more.
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I believe you're being taken for a ride.

The argument of "well if I work hard I will get promoted" is bull as well - do you honestly want to prolong your employment in a place like that? At least if you never get fed a treat now and then it might prompt you to look for something better.

Contracted hours are contracted hours - I don't know many people who get OT but everyone gets TOIL if they work late/start early. The only people I know who regularly work 12+ hour days without getting OT or TOIL are the company directors who are increasing the value of their asset by putting the extra in. Turning work into your life to make someone else rich is stupid.
 
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Em3bbs said:
I don't agree with that image at all - I've had a lot of support from bosses and employers when I've had a 'fall'. Quite literally recently when I had a very nasty injury to my arm after tripping and they let me work from home for the best part of 6 weeks.
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They let you work from home? That's nice...for them. They're getting more out of you. :D


OpenToSuggestions said:
The comments about those who work late cannot manage their time is not always true.
I am so overloaded I could work 12 hour days no problem, but I get no thanks for doing so, so I don't do that much extra anymore.
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Then you're being expected to do more than one persons role. The company is shafting you.
 
Stop working for free. Your contracted hours are there for a reason.

I would say speak to your union rep, but whenever I do to someone getting shafted by the company, there is no union. About time people put 2 and 2 together.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
That would go down like a lead balloon.
Trust me on that :(.

The comments about those who work late cannot manage their time is not always true.
I am so overloaded I could work 12 hour days no problem, but I get no thanks for doing so, so I don't do that much extra anymore.
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Your company is taking advantage of you. They will keep doing this until you push back and say no. You need to draw a line somewhere. They expect you to work more then your contracted hours - if I have worked 6 hours for free then I expect some good will in return. There needs to be give and take and it's perfectly reasonable for you to make a stand and just leave on time. They can't have expectations of you and not have expectations on them as well. That's not how life works.
 
As a person who is constantly working overtime and on call 24/7 365... I'd advise that you read your contract of employment and quote it if things start to get out of hand.

You have rights the same as your employer.

Unfortunately for me.. in my contract of employment it states that I will work whatever hours are deemed suitable by my company to suit the business. I'm really screwed, I hope you are not.

Btw.. they don't give you the time back.. you ask for pay.
The company you are working for is making money and therefore so should you.
 
In regards to time versus pay we've had a similar "dispute" at my place recently. A guy from HR told all our front line staff (around 60 of them) that they would get no extra pay for working Good Friday and that they'd get an extra day off instead (after working it of course).

This predictably peed a few people off. Today a senior manager told us (after many said they wouldn't work it next year) that those that worked it can indeed claim an extra day's pay instead of time off (which for them is seldom granted when they want anyway).

Power to the people and all that.
 
OpenToSuggestions said:
The contact is worded to the effect of:
Hours are XYZ, however flexibility is required to meet the needs of the role.
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The key point is flexible. Any reasonable person would interpret that as turds hitting the fan means you might have to stay late and then you come in later the next day or leave early on Friday or whatever. It doesn't mean work extra hours because they are too tight to recruit more people.
 
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