Motorway merge fail??

Orionaut

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Well....!

http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motori...iltering-ford-smash-into-lorry-11363904460694

Actually, having watched this several times, I cannot comprehend why the lorry driver was not held to be at fault! :eek:

(From a personal perspective, I drive a commercial vehicle, I would have absolutely no problem with the idea that the driver with the camera should have suffered serious sanction for precipitating this accident!)

:mad:
 
6 of one, half dozen the other tbh. The lorry left a gap, the car hesitated so the lorry plowed on and then the car went for a gap that didn't exist. Is there any indication that the lorry driver signalled to let him out?
 
Skeeter said:
6 of one, half dozen the other tbh. The lorry left a gap, the car hesitated so the lorry ploughed on and then the car went for a gap that didn't exist. Is there any indication that the lorry driver signalled to let him out?
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Count the seconds! (White lines)

The "Gap" was little more than half a second! (If the camera footage was working at real time)

Given that this was a "Road work" zone with cones and restricted access "i" would have opened up the gap (As an L1 driver IYSWIM) to some where nearer 4 seconds before I had got anywhere near the merge point in order to keep things safe!

The truck driver was a tool!

I would have no problem with removing him from his license for his toolery! :mad:
 
Orionaut said:
Actually, having watched this several times, I cannot comprehend why the lorry driver was not held to be at fault! :eek:
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It tells you in the article

The lorry driver has the right of way being on the motorway already. The driver should have given way.
 
The truck driver was being a bit of an ass not lifting to make room but the Fiesta really shouldn't have just moved across assuming the traffic already in that lane would make room for them.
 
How stupid must the driver of that car be? People need to learn how to use the gearbox and the brakes. Either go ahead of go behind. It's not hard!
 
Orionaut said:
Well....!

http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motori...iltering-ford-smash-into-lorry-11363904460694

Actually, having watched this several times, I cannot comprehend why the lorry driver was not held to be at fault! :eek:

(From a personal perspective, I drive a commercial vehicle, I would have absolutely no problem with the idea that the driver with the camera should have suffered serious sanction for precipitating this accident!)

:mad:
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You should give up your license if you don't know why the lorry driver isn't at fault.

It's not merging, the car HAS to give way to oncoming traffic.

It's a give way line, not a line separating lanes, traffic already on the dual carriage way/motorway are under no obligation to do anything to allow vehicles to join.
 
Westyfield2 said:
Maybe I'm just too nice, but I always move out of the inside lane into the middle lane to allow vehicles to join at entry slip roads.
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It's people being nice and doing that that cause the delays on roads like the a14.

Just leave a reasonable amount of room from the car in front and stay in your lane, it's the person joining that has to do all the running, leave them to it.
:)
 
kaiowas said:
The truck driver was being a bit of an ass not lifting to make room but the Fiesta really shouldn't have just moved across assuming the traffic already in that lane would make room for them.
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Exactly.

The car has to give way, but the lorry could have seen it coming. Legally the car is at fault, but the lorry could have prevented it. I'd expect a professional driver to have better hazard perception than most drivers, and more of an incentive to not be involved in an accident & just get to his destination ontime.


It's like when people stop for no reason and then have someone go into the back of them. Yes the stopping car is non-fault and the car behind is at fault as they should have left a proper gap, but the 'innocent' stopping car could have prevented it themselves by not randomly stopping.

Hence why it can be pretty legit for peoples insurance premiums to go up when declaring a 'non-fault' accident, as actually they could have prevented it.
 
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atpbx said:
You should give up your license if you don't know why the lorry driver isn't at fault.

It's not merging, the car HAS to give way to oncoming traffic.

It's a give way line, not a line separating lanes, traffic already on the dual carriage way/motorway are under no obligation to do anything to allow vehicles to join.
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Yes, But merging is essentially a cooperative exercise

L1 traffic needs to leave gaps for joining traffic to merge with even though they have "Right of way"

This driver clearly didn't! :mad:

He approached a roadwork junction with a "Gap" of less then a second between him and the vehicle in front!

Where the **** did he expect the joining traffic to go???

By the time the joining vehicle driver realised he couldn't join there was nowhere else he could go! (Cones to the left)

Camera driver was in the wrong! I would never put myself in that position!
 
Orionaut said:
Well....!

http://home.bt.com/lifestyle/motori...iltering-ford-smash-into-lorry-11363904460694

Actually, having watched this several times, I cannot comprehend why the lorry driver was not held to be at fault! :eek:

(From a personal perspective, I drive a commercial vehicle, I would have absolutely no problem with the idea that the driver with the camera should have suffered serious sanction for precipitating this accident!)

:mad:
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What? The lorry driver had right of way.
 
If the driver of the car had kept their foot down the lorry would have continued to back off I'm sure. But the car had backed off, and the last thing a lorry is going to do is slam on to let a car merge. The driver of the car needed to commit to going for it or slowing right down.
 
Orionaut said:
Yes, But merging is essentially a cooperative exercise

L1 traffic needs to leave gaps for joining traffic to merge with even though they have "Right of way"

This driver clearly didn't! :mad:

He approached a roadwork junction with a "Gap" of less then a second between him and the vehicle in front!

Where the **** did he expect the joining traffic to go???

By the time the joining vehicle driver realised he couldn't join there was nowhere else he could go! (Cones to the left)

Camera driver was in the wrong! I would never put myself in that position!
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The lorry driver was cooperative and left a gap to which the focus driver failed to take up. At the end of the day its the focus joining traffic and should have adjusted his speed for the traffic. As many said he tried to exploit a gap that was long gone and essentially forced himself on when he really should have stopped.
 
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