Poll: which party are you going to vote in up coming elections?

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So because the EU haven't legislated against something means that it's the fault of the EU that something exists?

Do you walk into rivers and then look around to blame someone for not building a bridge?

If the UK government hasn't passed legislation against the increased use of zero hours contracts then why do you think we'd need to be out of the EU for that to happen? I don't like zero hours contracts at all, but to try to lay the blame for them at the feet of the EU is bizarre.
 
I don't but you are trying to claim the EU benefits us with all their rulings when it clearly does not and we do not need it..

maybe without he EU our politicians would have more time to spend fixing our own god damn country instead of meeting eu leaders all the time and start dealing with the issues that matter to us.
 
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Except I didn't say that. You started arguing that the working time regulations caused the zero hours contract.

I said that the EU not being perfect isn't a reason to get rid of it. Lots of things aren't perfect.
 
Except I didn't say that. You started arguing that the working time regulations caused the zero hours contract.

I said that the EU not being perfect isn't a reason to get rid of it. Lots of things aren't perfect.

so zero hour contracts are not a hypothetical situation where an employer takes advantage of labour market conditions which according to the guy I quoted the EU are/should be protecting us from? which are of course is mainly brought on by mass unskilled immigration.
It's a joke that UK companies actively recruit directly in third world EU member sates for unskilled workers when we have our own.
 
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You're arguing against points that nobody has made. Would zero hours contracts exist if there were more jobs than people seeking work? Probably not, people wouldn't apply for them unless they wanted the flexibility they offered.

Is the reason there are more people seeking work than jobs available down to our EU membership, and would leaving the EU also remove a lot of jobs from the economy so the net gain is minimal? That's a tougher question. Someone posted the figures earlier, and there are far more non-EU citizens working here than those from member states. Make of that what you will.
 
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and there are far more non-EU citizens working here than those from member states. Make of that what you will.

no **** because labour started it over 10 years ago, all the asians etc vote labour so they opened the floodgates.

even with restrictions now it would take generations to undo the damage and by that I don't mean damage to our gene pool.

I'm not one of these ex BNP guys

I don't care what race you are as long as your position in our country is on merit and preferably something we lack in this country which is not unskilled workers.
I'm against freedom of movement if it means lowering the opportunities and lives of the people that already live here.

we aren't some kind of utopia that can just let everyone in without damaging what we already have and it's exactly what the majority of first world countries do, they look out for their own first.


look at the EU change in votes from now and 5 years ago.

all the big economy first world countries are turning against the EU. (france , germany etc it's not just us)
all the crappy new members that are poor are obviously loving the EU as it helps get rid of the people they don't want that are of no benefit to society and just a drain
 
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So really you don't have any problem with the EU at all (at least not one that you have been able to put into words yet)?

There is no political party which will undo the "damage" as you put it. "All the Asians" are now second or third generation - they are British, they are as British as you and I. If you're happy to dabble around with damaging the country economically to send a message to these people that they aren't welcome here then please let the rest of us know first so we can move somewhere else. You might as well just put a brick through their windows or burn their houses down though, because it will get your message across just as well but the fallout won't harm the rest of us.

I can appreciate being unemployed or under-employed is difficult and frustrating, but looking to blame someone else is rarely productive.
 
if they are as British as you are I why do they speak in their own tongue and keep their own cultures? keep to their own communities ?
I live in a largely Asian area so I experience it every day (West end of Newcastle Upon Tyne)
there's tons of eastern block people here now too maybe more so than asians

of course I'm not suggesting those already here are unwelcome and should be removed if we tightened down our borders as that would be unfair on those who already made their lives here..
eventually they will become english and forget their own cultures but it takes longer than 2-3 generations.

So really you don't have any problem with the EU at all (at least not one that you have been able to put into words yet)?
FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE
BEING ABLE TO CLAIM BENEFITS WHERE YOU HAVE NEVER WORKED.
Having laws forced upon us rather than deciding ourselves

I know it works both was but we get the ****** end of the stick.

who want's to go live in romania etc and claim their crappy benefits? their own people don't even want to.

they shouldn't have been let in the eu when they are so far behind the rest of europe

immigration from africa etc needs to stop unless they are of a benefit to us, if we already have someone here for the job then like America they should have to be considered over someone from another country unless there is a valid reason why the foreigner is a better candidate.


half these people we don't even know if they have a criminal background....
 
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They are British by virtue of being born here, that's how it works from a legal perspective. If you don't want to have to deal with people who don't share the same values or interests as you then I'm afraid you have a frustrating life ahead of you.

Your argument is all over the place - are people coming from Romania and stealing your job, or are they coming over to sit on their arses and claim benefits? Or are they not really coming over at all in the numbers that certain people would have had us believe? What do Africans have to do with our EU membership - they already need to be skilled to get a work visa.

It's clear that your way of fixing the situation you find yourself in is to close the borders and only let skilled migrants in. What isn't so clear is how this improves your particular situation. You seem almost convinced that you'd have the job of your dreams and own a house with no Asians nearby for as far as the eye could see, as long as we made it difficult to come here.
 
What do Africans have to do with our EU membership?
not a lot but you wanted to bring up world wide immigration and go around in circles.
can't bang my head forever and can't be arsed to argue with you all night since you don't read was wrote

It's clear that your way of fixing the situation you find yourself in is to close the borders and only let skilled migrants in. What isn't so clear is how this improves your particular situation. You seem almost convinced that you'd have the job of your dreams and own a house with no Asians nearby for as far as the eye could see, as long as we made it difficult to come here.
I am not poor FFS

look how much time I spend on here...
then look at stuff I purchase.
put 2+2 together
you have someone with a lot of spare time and a fair amount of money.

stopping immigration of unskilled workers does nothing for me but it helps the people I care about which are likely very different to you considering I have a fairly poor background.
 
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Why do hell holes vote Labour, and why, after decades and decades of Labour representation and various Labour governments, these areas are still poor hell holes?
 
I'm not quite sure what to respond to this, as it seems you don't actually have anything remotely resembling a clue about what you are arguing.

First of all, you need to lose the tone, it reflects badly on you and taints your argument.

Do you understand what a visa is? Do you grasp the concept that certain countries waiver the visa, so you have freedom to travel there, but their border isn't open to everyone - to get a job you have to apply for a work permit. New Zealand is one example. We can freely travel there, but we can't freely get a job

Visa waivers are unworkable in UK scenario if you want to maintain work permits. This isn't New Zealand, the numbers are 12-15 times higher. 32 million visitors a year and 24 million of them are from Europe. The country has no national ID, no centralised records, even stuff like Work Registration Scheme currently takes weeks to arrange. Creating administration dedicated only to work permits outside of immigration forces is something you don't want to even imagine. Tories tried something like this in nineties, where HM Home Office had an external work permit control system based on separate document (a green book of some description) maintained by independent office called Alien Registration Bureau. Immigration control officials back then had about 16 separate versions of passport stamps - different scenario for time limited right to remain with no right to work, different one for time limited right to remain with no right to work unless permitted by secretary of state, different stamp for students who needed part time work permit to support themselves, different for students who needed part time work permit to do work experience for Uni etc etc. Every person that entered the country for more than a month and needed work permit had to attend additional interview inside the country and were issued special document detailing conditions of their stay, permits and exclusions to both, complete with copies of passport stamps. In the end the system was abandoned because it was simply unworkable. The sheer volume of people was one thing, but necessity for details and records would drag the proceedings for weeks and rise to epic proportions. People would often go to embassy and get new, clean passports issued just to restart the paperwork without the need for two lorries of paperwork to be recalled from Croydon. And then you had appeals, reviews, court orders. Every time your foreign girlfriend wanted to return home for Xmas she had to gather all the papers, letters from school, proof of residence, statements proving she can support herself etc etc. Absolute nightmare. It literally created entire black economy of illegal workers and camps and the less sinister but equally dodgy arrangements of gap year holidays where the entire buses full of passengers would disappear into the night on the first parking lot after Dover as people couldn't waste their life in Kafkesque administrative machinery just to come in, do some hotel or bar work and spend the rest of the summer sight seeing around the country.

Anyway, back to the topic. Visa waivers. You cannot begin to imagine the sheer size of administrative force you need to create to keep records and maintain work permits, extensions and revisions for visitors inside the country with traffic and popularity of US but the size of UK, plus you also need proper enforcement agency to monitor and control job market, otherwise you will just create gigantic black market where no questions are asked and no tax is paid, since as customer you won't be able to differentiate between French person with British passport, French person with resident status, French person with work permit and French person without work permit performing their duties illegally unless you somehow provide the entire nation with IDs and make it compulsory to carry them everywhere. And that's not going to be easy.
 
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Ukip supporters rejoice you have been validated you're opinion is been shown to be popular and it's support will only grow. All the haters need to realise their small minded views don't wash and the intimidation hasn't worked.


Ha ha ha.
 
Ukip supporters rejoice you have been validated you're opinion is been shown to be popular and it's support will only grow. All the haters need to realise their small minded views don't wash and the intimidation hasn't worked.


Ha ha ha.



This.
Not long now before the EU falls apart. But I'm surprised at what happened in France.
 
Lib-dems are finished.

They only have themselves to blame. They tried to become another identical party without a strong historical voter base, if anyone will suffer and lose votes when looking at 3 identical parties it will be the one with no identity.
 
Quote interesting results across Europe, shame so many don't see the benefits of the eu, this is my favourite quote of the night: "Speaking after his defeat, Griffin blamed Ukip for taking the BNP's vote. Asked whether the people of the north-west had rejected his party's racist and fascist policies, he said: "They've voted for Ukip's racist policies instead."

Even the BNP agree ukip are racist, says a lot ;)
 
Sour grapes much?
When the other parties now change polices to mimick ukip will they also become racist in your view.

That argument has been done to death time to move on?oh sorry that's all you have isn't it.
 
Ukip supporters rejoice you have been validated you're opinion is been shown to be popular and it's support will only grow. All the haters need to realise their small minded views don't wash and the intimidation hasn't worked.


Ha ha ha.

Yes all 29% of 36% clearly show you are in the ascendancy.

In actuality people are not voting and that is the real view and lesson of these elections.

12% of the population voting UKIP in no way validates them or shows any indication of ascendancy.

Also lol at the irony of a bigoted party claiming others are small minded, "close the borders and hate the foreigners herp derp" clearly an open minded outlook on the world.
 
It's a joke that UK companies actively recruit directly in third world EU member sates for unskilled workers when we have our own.

Third world is a redundant term but no current EU member country fit the definition even when it was valid.

BEING ABLE TO CLAIM BENEFITS WHERE YOU HAVE NEVER WORKED.

EU immigrants can't claim benefits without having worked here first. What you're saying is a tabloid myth.

Having laws forced upon us rather than deciding ourselves
Another myth. EU laws aren't forced on us. We still have the ability to reject or modify EU directives. Look at the Working Time Directive - we're the only country in Europe where workers can opt-out of it.

What benefit is that? We have the same exports with countries in Europe that we did 55+ years ago.

But please tell me the others.

It's not about who we trade with but how much it costs a business to trade with those countries. Freedom of movement, zero import duties, standardisation, etc. all reduce costs.
 
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