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Never a prostitute but I like strip clubs, the cornerstone of every stag do is blowing about £300 in a strip club.

I mean aside from anything I remember reading somewhere that if a prostitute in amsterdam works 5 nights a week, she needs to service 700+ men just to break even. If 700 men stuck their wang in a jar of honey, would you stick yours in after?
 
There were a few threads in the Ask/Tell forum over on SA about being an escort; one was in Texas, I think, and the other was in Wellington, New Zealand. Very enlightening views from two very different women who certainly did not conform to the stereotypical view I perhaps had of that profession.

Young, relatively undamaged, obviously intelligent but most of all rational about what they were doing and why. Reading it left you feeling somewhat sorry for their clients rather than for them :)
 
I think people should be able to do what they want, as long as it isn't harming other people.

So if you want to get ****ed? Have fun, but don't go driving a car or getting in to a fight.
You want to smoke? Fine, but don't second-hand other people.
Recreational drugs your thing? Get your rocks off, but the same considerations as alcohol come in to play.
Want to make money from sexual services? Hump away, but ensure you are tested regularily, etc.

When things are criminalised or unregulated, then they become really dangerous for those involved.

Yes, there are plenty of horrific cases of trafficking, violence and rape, but there are also instances of forced slavery wtihin the fruit picking industry, should fruit be banned? Strawman I know, but you get what I mean.

You can be sexually liberated, and get much bonage, but if you are female, then you are a ****, and if you are a dude, then you are some sort of hero. The second you accept money/pay money for it though, you are scum or mentally ill.

Prostitution if effectively porn without the cameras, right? So why is porn not also seen to be just as bad?
 
arknor said:
American studies though it won't be the same in the UK
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Why would this be the case?.

[FnG]magnolia;26394590 said:
There were a few threads in the Ask/Tell forum over on SA about being an escort; one was in Texas, I think, and the other was in Wellington, New Zealand. Very enlightening views from two very different women who certainly did not conform to the stereotypical view I perhaps had of that profession.

Young, relatively undamaged, obviously intelligent but most of all rational about what they were doing and why. Reading it left you feeling somewhat sorry for their clients rather than for them :)
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I have a feeling this isn't going to be at all representative of the wider population. Those in a less fortunate situation I'd wager would be less likely (or able) to broadcast about it on-line.

krooton said:
I think people should be able to do what they want, as long as it isn't harming other people.

So if you want to get ****ed? Have fun, but don't go driving a car or getting in to a fight.
You want to smoke? Fine, but don't second-hand other people.
Recreational drugs your thing? Get your rocks off, but the same considerations as alcohol come in to play.
Want to make money from sexual services? Hump away, but ensure you are tested regularily, etc.

When things are criminalised or unregulated, then they become really dangerous for those involved.

Yes, there are plenty of horrific cases of trafficking, violence and rape, but there are also instances of forced slavery wtihin the fruit picking industry, should fruit be banned? Strawman I know, but you get what I mean.

You can be sexually liberated, and get much bonage, but if you are female, then you are a ****, and if you are a dude, then you are some sort of hero. The second you accept money/pay money for it though, you are scum or mentally ill.

Prostitution if effectively porn without the cameras, right? So why is porn not also seen to be just as bad?
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I'd argue the propensity for exploitation is key.

We don't allow relationships between teachers & children above the age of 16, even though technically they are legally within age - the exploitative element complicates the matter. Judging from all the studies on prostitution I've read, exploitation seems pretty key & common across the entire range.

I'm sure a good number 'high class' escorts exist which are able to lead fully functional & happy lives - without being coerced/raped or beaten - but I'd still bet very good money they are still significantly more likely to come from a background of familial sexual abuse.

Besides, it seems one of those professions people seem acceptable for 'other peoples daughters but not mine' which further indicates that perhaps it's not quite as simple as they first think.
 
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Nope. I went to Budapest last week with some work colleagues, few beers, strip joints etc. Two of the guys had lap dances and said they were a complete waste of money. Doesn't do it for me personally.
 
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Besides, it seems one of those professions people seem acceptable for 'other peoples daughters but not mine' which further indicates that perhaps it's not quite as simple as they first think.
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Surely that's a societal thing?

Many people felt the same way about their daughters becoming pilots, scientests, or indeed anything other than a housewife a hundred years ago.

Do people feel the same way about gigolos?

Keeping something taboo and underground perpetuates the dangers involved, it happened during the prohibition, and it has been happening for ages for recreational drugs. Not all people who drink are alcoholics, not all people that do drugs are homeless junkies, and not all prostitutes are trafficked.
 
krooton said:
Surely that's a societal thing?

Many people felt the same way about their daught

Many people felt the same way about their daughters becoming pilots, scientests, or indeed anything other than a housewife a hundred years ago.
ers becoming pilots, scientests, or indeed anything other than a housewife a hundred years ago.

Do people feel the same way about gigolos?

Keeping something taboo and underground perpetuates the dangers involved, it happened during the prohibition, and it has been happening for ages for recreational drugs. Not all people who drink are alcoholics, not all people that do drugs are homeless junkies, and not all prostitutes are trafficked.
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Please don't tell me you're comparing decent career choices to a career of pursuing being a cum dumpster.
 
When I lived in Hull there was a few I would always drive past, even one outside a petrol station toilet. I kind of wanted to put a blanket over them and make them a can of hot soup.
 
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Please don't tell me you're comparing decent career choices to a career of pursuing being a cum dumpster.
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I think you quite underestimate how much money some of these women make, far in excess of many decent careers.

Also, cum dumpster is bit disingenuous, any women with half a baincell would always use condoms. :p

It's only frowned upon because the world is still very prudish about sex (probably religious hangover), but if someone is seeking a service, and another is providing that service willingly, why is it a problem?
 
Never used one, and probably never will.

I feel like paying a woman for sex is one step below rock bottom.

When I was in Amsterdam for a stag do, we walked around the red light district a couple of times, more out of curiosity than anything. Some of the women there were absolutely beautiful and we got to talking about why they would choose to sell their bodies to strangers. We decided that for a young attractive woman, making 50 Euros for 15 mins work is a tempting proposition and if she was successful could probably afford to retire after a few years. Even if she only had 10 customers a shift, she could still earn 2500 Euros a week, which would be a powerful motivator, not forgetting 50 Euros is a basic rate and she could negotiate higher rates if she chose. I think there are still issues with exploitation, though, even in Amsterdam as technically pimps are still legal but at least it is more regulated than most places in the world.

As we walked down one stretch, a group of armed men materialsied out of the shadows and carted off a 'customer' from one of the booths. It would appear the prostitute had pushed her panic button. I believe the men were possibly plain clothed Police (?).

But even though it was there, on a plate, with beautiful model-like women and I was young free and single with a wallet full of Euros, I coulnd't bring myself to do it. Perhaps I am too proud, but I just could not respect myself as much if I paid a woman for sex.

The stag got caught up with some of my work colleagues who just happened to be there at the same time on a bender, and I left him to it. They got him into one of the booths, and I was decidely unimpressed with him as his fiancee was a lovely woman and actually more attractive than the prostitutes!! But I knew my friend, and I knew it was out of character. Later that night he confided he just went in and talked to her for 15 mins and nothing happened. He just wanted to get the other guys off his back.

Overall, I thought Amsterdam was an interesting place but it is not somewhere I would want to go back to in a hurry.
 
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