Richard Huddy - Gaming Scientist Interviewed

[LtMatt]

Since it's Nvidia middleware I don't see that as a big problem. Just because it's not what AMD choose to do with TressFX doesn't mean that everyone has to do it like that.
Is it ideal? no.
Does it prove that GameWorks is causing issues beyond AMD not having much chance to optimise for it? (Which apparently after 5 years of DirectX there's not much left for them to optimise in their drivers, apparently)
Even Ryan brought up that Nvidia had issues on Tomb Raider, the TressFX game. I believe there was a quote floating around where Nvidia said they only got sigh of Tomb Raider late on.

As said, GameWorks could in theory be used maliciously and I think it's poor form on Nvidia's part if they do. But just having a middleware library that you're not openly releasing source code too doesn't have to be a problem.

I have to say, for the most part I thought Ryan did a good job.

Agree, Ryan did a great job. It was a fascinating interview and i think he explained the differences between the GameWorks approach and TressFX approach the effect that has on being able to improve things.

 

[Rusty0611]

GW in BAO was optimised, Watch Dogs is the first title where the drivers developer was denied access.

Source for both?

 

[Gerard]

Whys the video being posted so much?

 

[Martini1991]

Relevant.



They shouldn't but here we are, what is the root problem then?

The performance discrepancies are that far apart, you need a salmon smacked off your face rapid style if you ignore the relevance of the performance drop off.

You can't run mlaa in 3D, disabling tess via ccc has an overall detrimental effect in IQ, you turn it down for the cape, it has a knock on effect on snow, scenery etc.

I've said this a few times, Nvidias performance looks super high in the benchmarks that people use, rather than AMD being crippled, this is shown by the msaa drop in performance.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Whys the video being posted so much?

I think LtMatt must be getting paid for each time he posts it.

 

[Geeman1979]

Whys the video being posted so much?

This ^

 

[LtMatt]

I think LtMatt must be getting paid for each time he posts it.

Starting it at various parts which mentions things being discussed in the thread right now.

 

[Martini1991]

Source for both?

Wasn't this why there was a hoo ha over batman lol?

 

[humbug]

Source for both?

Its was already talked about when that game came out, Warner Brother first denied Robert access and the game ran like WD does now. but gave him access later, it now does run parity with Nvidia.

Take it or leave it, i'm not going to spend two hours digging up the thread.

But here is what i will do, from now on i'm keeping a library of evidence for people who keep asking for it.

 

[Rusty0611]

Wasn't this why there was a hoo ha over batman lol?

Indeed.

Take it or leave it, i'm not going to spend two hours digging up the thread.

I'll take the latter then as there's no source. I actually asked for a source for both of the statements you made but instead got an anecdote about one of the them so...

It's all good though, I've made the point I wanted to make.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Its was already talked about when that game came out, Warner Brother first denied Robert access and the game ran like WD does now. but gave him access later, it now does run parity with Nvidia.

Take it or leave it, i'm not going to spend two hours digging up the thread.

But here is what i will do, from now on i'm keeping a library of evidence for people who keep asking for it.

So you're saying it's an optimisation issue rather than GW doing anything malicious?

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Starting it at various parts which mentions things being discussed in the thread right now.

And yet they all start from the beginning...

 

[triss]

Its was already talked about when that game came out, Warner Brother first denied Robert access and the game ran like WD does now. but gave him access later and it now does run parity with Nvidia.

Take it or leave it, i'm not going to spend two hours digging up the thread.

But here is what i will do, from now on i'm keeping a library of evidence for people who keep asking for it.

So your saying WB let him look at the GW code to optimise it now?
Or was it the Non gameworks code they gave him access too which would prove gameworks wasnt the issue at all

 

[LtMatt]

And yet they all start from the beginning...

Urgh, really? It works for me. Ah well, nevermind.

 

[triss]

Yeah sorry LT all start from the beginning for me aswell

 

[humbug]

So you're saying it's an optimisation issue rather than GW doing anything malicious?

I don't think there is anything in GW that AMD can't optimise for, i don't think there is anything malicious in that, no. The problem seems to be that AMD are not allowed optimise for it.

Personally I have nothing against GW, but those who need access to optimise for it should be given that access.

 

[Martini1991]

Since when did batman run like watch dogs? This thread is comedy gold. Cheers humbug.

 

[humbug]

Since when did batman run like watch dogs? This thread is comedy gold. Cheers humbug.

Take it or You try to dig up the thread. I'm not.

 

[Martini1991]

Take it or You try to dig up the thread. I'm not.

That's not how accusations work.
Also. I played it at launch............

 

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ITT: AMD fans repeating AMD PR talking points over and over again.

When asked for proof they ignore the request for proof and post the same talking points again.

After being proven wrong they play victim for being "attacked", bow out and call it even.

I was wrong, it's not like american politics. It's worse.