YEEHAH, the Redhead is goin' down!

Christo said:
?? You do realise that a large number of public schools are under threat and under financial difficulty. The vast majority of public schools arent as well of as Eton.
How can a school possibly not be considered a good cause?

If public schools close down all that will happen is other state schools will need to open, pushing up the education budget.

The only reason for this push on removal of charitable status is jealous/reverse snobbery. Seriously idiotic.
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Shame you oviously haven't read my posts unless you are calling me a hypocrit....


estebanrey said:
The only problem I have with Eton is it's charitable status which I don't think it should have. But when someone uses 'Etonian' as an insult, I usually stop listening as they've already proved their argument won't be based on rationalism but rather an inverted form of snobbery and jealously.
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..so I've already said people who have a problem with Eton are usually just jealous or using reverse snobbery.

However, not agreeing with Eton's charitible status doesn't mean I'm being a snob or jealous, it just means I disagree with that one single issue.
 
estebanrey said:
Shame you oviously haven't read my posts unless you are calling me a hypocrit....

..so I've already said people who have a problem with Eton are usually just jealous or using reverse snobbery.

However, not agreeing with Eton's charitible status doesn't mean I'm being a snob or jealous, it just means I disagree with that one single issue.
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http://www.etoncollege.com/scholarships.aspx

All public schools do similar. Charitable status helps these schools provide scholarships. If the charitable status was removed then scholarships would be one of the first things hit.
 
Christo said:
She is right when she mentions witchhunt. It has indeed become a witchhunt. The problem isnt specific to her, it was the entire industry - it was/is totally rampant. The fact that she/ the Sun are the focus of this in the media is preposterous, the media like to create these 'wrong doers' and beat the hell out of them - pathetic.
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So what would you suggest :confused:
Ignore the crimes committed by the CEO of News International?
Pursue the cleaners at the News of the Screws?​


The practices at the News of the Screws that appear to have been entirely acceptable to Rebekah Brooks are crimes. If crimes are ignored, what possible reason would anyone have not to commit them?

Hopefully this will be the first of a number of prosecutions, hopefully they will be successful. It is always possible that they and the Leveson Inquiry will result in an improvement in the quality of newspapers and the tax-dodging Dirty Digger taking his unpalatable practices elsewhere. Good riddance to the lot of them I say.


What will be REALLY interesting is the question of whether Coulson ends up in court; I suspect that he DOES know where the evidence is buried and may no longer have that much loyalty to News Int'l :D
 
spudbynight said:
http://www.etoncollege.com/scholarships.aspx

All public schools do similar. Charitable status helps these schools provide scholarships. If the charitable status was removed then scholarships would be one of the first things hit.
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Do you know the kind of tax breaks you get with charitable status? Eton save far more from that than it costs them to provide a few scholorships.
 
estebanrey said:
Do you know the kind of tax breaks you get with charitable status? Eton save far more from that than it costs them to provide a few scholorships.
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Yes, my uncle is the bursar of a school and we have actually discussed it on several occasions.

It doesn't change the fact that the money saved is used in part to pay for scholarships.

If the charitable status was removed then school fees would rise and scholarships would fall. I fail to see the benefit to society in removing charitable status.

Remember as well that the money saved by schools is still less than the cost to the exchequer of educating their pupils should they fall under the state.
 
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estebanrey said:
Do you know the kind of tax breaks you get with charitable status? Eton save far more from that than it costs them to provide a few scholorships.
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So? No one is profiting from it.

The charitable status:
  • Saves the tax payer (if one pupil isn't using the state system, yet the parents still pay taxes, they're essentially overpaying for the rest of us)
  • Quite often preservation of historical gorunds
  • Offering of public services, events and high quality facilities
  • Pays for scholarships (good for social mobility)
 
shoes said:
Me too, and I hoped it included this:

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Thread disappoints.
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Post has made gingers seem okay again.
 
spudbynight said:
If the charitable status was removed then school fees would rise and scholarships would fall. I fail to see the benefit to society in removing charitable status.
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If you gave Esso charitable status they'd be able to charge less for fuel which would also help society.

You've also ignored that removing the status would bring more money into the exchequer which would benefit society.

spudbynight said:
Remember as well that the money saved by schools is still less than the cost to the exchequer of educating their pupils should they fall under the state.
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How are you working that out? I'm not saying you are wrong I just don't know how you are comparing the savings in tax from Eton with the entire cost of running the state system.

Hatter The Mad said:
So? No one is profiting from it.

The charitable status:
Saves the tax payer (if one pupil isn't using the state system, yet the parents still pay taxes, they're essentially overpaying for the rest of us)
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And also costs the tax payer in lost revenue which you seem to be forgetting.

Hatter The Mad said:
Quite often preservation of historical gorunds
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So they look after their grounds, don't most businesses? The last company I worked had gardeners but they didn't get charitible status for it.

Hatter The Mad said:
Offering of public services, events and high quality facilities
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So?

Hatter The Mad said:
Pays for scholarships (good for social mobility)
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I would say on balance Eton does less for social mobility than the other way. I'm sure the figures would show that whilst they let a few working class people in now and then, the vast majority of pupils will come from well off families.
 
Excellent news!

Eight people, including Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, will face a total of 19 charges relating to phone hacking, the Crown Prosecution Service has said.
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Mrs Brooks, who is also a former chief executive of the paper's publisher News International, faces three charges relating to the alleged accessing of phones belonging to Milly and former Fire Brigades Union boss Andrew Gilchrist, CPS legal adviser Alison Levitt QC said in a statement.
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Mr Coulson, who is also Prime Minister David Cameron's former communications chief, will face four charges linked to accusations of accessing the phone messages of Milly, former Labour home secretaries David Blunkett and Charles Clarke, and Calum Best, the son of the late footballer George Best.
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Well done the CPS - I hope they can make it stick and Brooks/Wade & Coulson get to spend time as upright citizens in the showers :D
 
The Cardigan said:
... Rebekah Brooks was formally charged with phone hacking and will appear in court next month, Scotland Yard have said.
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Brooks, of Churchill, Oxford, and Coulson face specific charges of illegally accessing the voicemail of murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler.
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Brooks is already facing three counts of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, linked to the investigation into phone hacking.
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Cameron's awfully good friend is still innocent until proven guilty of course ;)
 
stockhausen said:
Rebekah Brooks, her old Etonian husband, her PA, her chauffeur, a member of her security staff and News International security head Mark Hanna are all to be charged with perverting the course of justice. (The Guardian)

GREAT, SHOWERS ALL ROUND! When will they nail Coulson?
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You are so right, where someone went to school is relevant to them being charged with a crime.

Oh sorry no wait. You are wrong.
 
stockhausen said:
Rebekah Brooks, her old Etonian husband, her PA, her chauffeur, a member of her security staff and News International security head Mark Hanna are all to be charged with perverting the course of justice. (The Guardian)

GREAT, SHOWERS ALL ROUND! When will they nail Coulson?
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If it goes to trial and they are found guilty will you accept that justice has been done?
 
Ah! another waste of public money as another PR exercise:

The Leveson Inquiry has so far cost taxpayers £3.2 million, with the total cost for part one of the investigation expected to reach £5.6 million; God knows what the court cases will cost.

And remember that you are presumed guilty until found rich. :eek:
 
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