I suppose it depends where you're from. I've known people from Yemen who can't get over the fact that they're from Yemen, and everything about them has to be about them being from Yemen, which just gets tedious after a while, as I cannot understand why anyone would be so concerned with where they're from that it becomes a major part of their identity.
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I suppose it depends where you're from. I've known people from Yemen who can't get over the fact that they're from Yemen, and everything about them has to be about them being from Yemen, which just gets tedious after a while, as I cannot understand why anyone would be so concerned with where they're from that it becomes a major part of their identity.
So many ******** wars these days, I would only ever fight in the army if it was defence war. Not going to be a pawn for some nut job
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I'm entirely sure of what you think you mean, and that's exactly why I classify it as 'blathering.'
Nope
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....or a war against France. Be home for supper and then have a story for the grandkids.
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dunno about the sending folk off to war against their will. but as i said not to long ago there's folk around need the tender tones of a drill sergeant to get a work ethic back into them.
myself included, i could do with the exercise but i don't think even the regular army needs to be in half thewars peacekeeping operations we're in these days.
the idea for including other services would work, such as coastguard, lifeboats, fire crews etc. national service shouldn't just be about teaching chavs how to kill people efficiently.
myself included, i could do with the exercise but i don't think even the regular army needs to be in half the
the idea for including other services would work, such as coastguard, lifeboats, fire crews etc. national service shouldn't just be about teaching chavs how to kill people efficiently.
As a Dual National I wasn't exempt from mandatory Military Service. I did the full 18 months.I was invited to consider staying on for officer training, however I missed the UK. It was interesting times if I'm honest. Although, I did have to stare at people down the barrel of a rifle..not something I enjoyed in the slightest. I still have friends I have kept close from my time there.
To be frank, if National service was to return, you would discover as I did that the upper middle classes and Elites generally don't allow there young to join up. Although, in the majority of middle eastern countries, if you haven't served then generally its unlikely for you to pursue or be allowed roles in Government.
Would it work in the UK?
Unlikely as the cost of it is immense. Considering that the Armed forces in the UK have already taken a budget review battering. I don't believe it is the answer for the UK.
We have a Professional army here and though they are underfunded and probably undermanned, the mentality involved in serving 18 - 24 months is a very significant surrender in an individuals liberties and 'rights'.
To be frank, if National service was to return, you would discover as I did that the upper middle classes and Elites generally don't allow there young to join up. Although, in the majority of middle eastern countries, if you haven't served then generally its unlikely for you to pursue or be allowed roles in Government.
Would it work in the UK?
Unlikely as the cost of it is immense. Considering that the Armed forces in the UK have already taken a budget review battering. I don't believe it is the answer for the UK.
We have a Professional army here and though they are underfunded and probably undermanned, the mentality involved in serving 18 - 24 months is a very significant surrender in an individuals liberties and 'rights'.
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exactly look at Castiel ! Imagine 1000's of him arguing with himself !
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I don't agree in National Service but if people are collecting dole money and other benefits they should be made to do community service of some sort.
I agree on the non-military/social responsibility aspect - but not so much the national pride side, to me that has the odour of indoctrination akin to the American schooling system.I think National Service isn't a bad idea, but I don't think that it has to be purely military service. Some kind of public service to instill a sense of national pride, social responsibility etc wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
Of course, I only say that because I'm too old for it.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
For one community service is actually a punishment & I don't think the out of work should face punitive measures for having the temerity to lose their job. A compromise I would suggest is that the government finds socially productive work for the unemployed to do which they get paid the equivalent hourly rates.
Working for money as the result of not being in work seems somewhat contradictory in nature to me.
This is key.
Many so called libertarian seem keen on implementing mandatory subservience to the state military, it would hilarious if it wasn't depressing. I don't think people really appreciate how authoritarian national service really is as a concept.
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Send them to a war zone? With the potential to jepordise a professional soliders life? Just so it gets them off the street for a while. OP stfu you idiot.
Our military is a very professional organisation, filling it with the "chavs" from around the country would just degarde the service.
Our military is a very professional organisation, filling it with the "chavs" from around the country would just degarde the service.
You are proposing burdening our armed forces with thousands of lazy sods who don't want to be there, spending untold amounts on training them, and then letting them go after a year or two more?
It'd be nothing more than an expensive insult to the people who joined on purpose, and would rapidly devalue our military.
That and so many people hate their time there, and are not allowed to quit. I know of a fair few people who hated their national service abroad, and one a couple that enjoyed it - and even they wouldn't recommend it become mandatory.
I'm against it.
It'd be nothing more than an expensive insult to the people who joined on purpose, and would rapidly devalue our military.
That and so many people hate their time there, and are not allowed to quit. I know of a fair few people who hated their national service abroad, and one a couple that enjoyed it - and even they wouldn't recommend it become mandatory.
I'm against it.
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So where does the TA sit in our professional military organisation.
Oh, and national service is a daft idea and won't happen.
I don't understand the question but the Army Reserves (TA has been replaced now I believe) are an important part, they volunteer their own time to become professional part time members of the armed forces who play a pivotal role in the operations we are currently and previously engaged in.
The haven't been told to be there because they are a) on the "dole" or b) one of societys miscreants like has been suggested in this thread.
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I have a novel idea. How about forcing unemployed people to take on vocational qualifications to get them into a job? ... nope. Taxpayers don't want to fund that one.
And when they get their benefits stopped, they turn to crime, like any one with any sense would.
We are a spiteful nation. How about politicians sacrifice their 10% pay increase and instead use that money towards it. Or better yet, how about we stop bank rolling the Royal family and let them provide their own private security, upkeep of property, travel expenses all out of their own pockets.
That's your deficit taken care of.
The grim reality is that there just aren't enough jobs to go around and some people will need to sit on the dole until it's their turn.
I can see the banks are about to try and put a stop to people buying houses now. Too many peasants are getting on the property ladder so their city chums can't make a killing from extortionate rents \ investments.
And when they get their benefits stopped, they turn to crime, like any one with any sense would.
We are a spiteful nation. How about politicians sacrifice their 10% pay increase and instead use that money towards it. Or better yet, how about we stop bank rolling the Royal family and let them provide their own private security, upkeep of property, travel expenses all out of their own pockets.
That's your deficit taken care of.
The grim reality is that there just aren't enough jobs to go around and some people will need to sit on the dole until it's their turn.
I can see the banks are about to try and put a stop to people buying houses now. Too many peasants are getting on the property ladder so their city chums can't make a killing from extortionate rents \ investments.