Voice your opposition to the Israeli actions for the past 65+ years

spoffle said:
When you have to change what I've said to back up your "argument" you've started down the road of strawman fallacies.

Aside from that, the whole issue here is that you seemingly don't understand what an informed opinion actually is.

It's irrelevant as to whether people agree or disagree with an invalid/uninformed "opinion" it doesn't impact whether it's true or not.

You cannot make untrue claims about things and use "but it's my opinion to try and claim that what you've said is valid.

You can't validly claim that someone who is tall, is short, just with "but my opinion". Do you see how that works? If someone is tall it doesn't matter who disagrees or agrees with the claim, it's not a valid claim.
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What have i said that is factual 100% wrong ? How do you know what tall is ? 6ft might be tall to a midget but small to someone who is 7ft so it is relative, hence why everyone has different opinions which doesn't make their opinion any less valid than someone elses. DO YOU SEE HOW IT WORKS !!!!
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
I just got bored of going over the same topic of yours, it was basically what you were saying. I have read enough info from both sides to have an opinion, whether you think it is valid compared to your biased opiniopn really doesn't interest me tbh. If you want to carry on going over the same topic about opinions then feel free, just so you know it is getting a little tiresome :rolleyes:
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What is my biased opinion exactly? You seem to think you know what my stance on this subject is for some reason. Why is my stance biased, and why do you think yours isn't?

And no it wasn't "basically" what I was saying, which I have stated a number of times now, but you continue to insist I meant something that you have yourself made up.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
What have i said that is factual 100% wrong ? How do you know what tall is ? 6ft might be tall to a midget but small to someone who is 7ft so it is relative, hence why everyone has different opinions which doesn't make their opinion any less valid than someone elses. DO YOU SEE HOW IT WORKS !!!!
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Yes there are relative heights, except that 7 foot is tall regardless, which you really should have understood was my point.

It would not be a valid opinion to say that someone who is 7 foot isn't tall. That has got nothing to do with there being people who are taller, it doesn't mean 7 foot isn't tall.

It seems like you believe people can say anything they want and as long as they claim it's their opinion, then it's valid.
 
spoffle said:
Yes there are relative heights, except that 7 foot is tall regardless, which you really should have understood was my point.

It would not be a valid opinion to say that someone who is 7 foot isn't tall. That has got nothing to do with there being people who are taller, it doesn't mean 7 foot isn't tall.

It seems like you believe people can say anything they want and as long as they claim it's their opinion, then it's valid.
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of course it would be valid for someone who is 7ft tall to think someone who is 6ft is small compared to him, after all it is HIS opinion and he is entitled to think that.

I believe that people who think that Hamas are innocent are wrong, but that is their opinion and it is valid to them. DO YOU SEE HOW IT WORKS ?

oh and yes i do believe that people can say what they want, within reason, it is called "freedom of speech" which obviously someone who supports Hamas would not agree with lol
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
of course it would be valid for someone who is 7ft tall to think someone who is 6ft is small compared to him, after all it is HIS opinion and he is entitled to think that.
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But I never said that, so once again you are changing what I've said and then responding to the changes you've made.

I believe that people who think that Hamas are innocent are wrong, but that is their opinion and it is valid to them. DO YOU SEE HOW IT WORKS ?
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Yes, because Hamas aren't innocent, but there you go changing what people have said. No one has actually said they are "innocent" (look the word up).

And no, just because someone thinks something, it doesn't change whether it's true or false.
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Lets stay on topic anyway you are boring me now

ISRAEL FTW ! :)
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I'm guessing you're going to claim you couldn't care less about what I've said. Just like you couldn't care less about the middle east, but have spent enough time this evening demonstrating to everyone just how little you care.

"Israel FTW" is a stellar example of how claiming that couldn't care less about the situation in the middle east is false, regardless of whether you claim it or not.
 
spoffle said:
I'm guessing you're going to claim you couldn't care less about what I've said. Just like you couldn't care less about the middle east, but have spent enough time this evening demonstrating to everyone just how little you care.

"Israel FTW" is a stellar example of how claiming that couldn't care less about the situation in the middle east is false, regardless of whether you claim it or not.
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Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt."[1][2] Sarcasm may employ ambivalence,[3] although sarcasm is not necessarily ironic.[4] "The distinctive quality of sarcasm is present in the spoken word and manifested chiefly by vocal inflections".[5] The sarcastic content of a statement will be dependent upon the context in which it appears
 
Yes, except that you seem to think you know what my stance is, but ever time I've asked you what it is (as I haven't expressed my stance) you won't say.
 
You're not bothered, yet you keep replying. Sounds legit.

Why do I need to tell you my stance? You keep telling me me stance on this is biased. Where have you got this information from?
 
spoffle said:
You're not bothered, yet you keep replying. Sounds legit.

Why do I need to tell you my stance? You keep telling me me stance on this is biased. Where have you got this information from?
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I have an annoying habit were i have to have the last word, that is all. You don't have to tell me what your stance is, i only asked as i thought you were going to tell me.

Is it that you think mcdonalds fries are better than KFC fries?
 
Noughtboy said:
Where are all these baby eating Jews when a Boeing needs to be piloted into a skyscraper? Or when a delayed rush hour train or bus needs a good bombing?
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http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

LIST OF MASSACRES BY Jewish (Zionist) terrorists, FROM 1937-1948

‎1937, March, 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. 1937, November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday")
1938, April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa.
1938, April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa
1938, May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road.
1938, May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa.
1938, June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv.


1938, June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa.
1938, June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa.
1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem.
1938, July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv.

1938, July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem.
1938, July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem.
1938, July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa.
1938, July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem.
1938, July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
1938, July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
1938, August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa.
1938, February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem.
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem.
1939, May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas.
1939, June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem

1939, June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing
1939, June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem.
1939, June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa.
1939, June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period.
1939, June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem.
1939, June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta.
1939, July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa.
1939, July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem.
1939, July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa.
1939, July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv.
1939, July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot.
1939, August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem.
1944, September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations

1944, September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem.
1945, November 1 5 locomotives destroyed in Lydda station. Two staff, one soldier and one policeman killed.
1945, December 27 3 British policemen and 4 Basuto soldiers killed during the bombing of British CID headquarters in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv
1946, February 22 Destroyed 14 aeroplanes at 5 RAF stations.


1946, July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian.
1946, October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station.
1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured.
1947, January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters.
1947, March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion.
1947, March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp

1947, July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged.
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery.
1947, September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station.
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema.
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate.
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudieh.
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa.
1947, December 20 6 Arabs killed, dozens wounded by bomb at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre.

1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem.
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa.
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate.
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv
1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla
1948, March 1 20 Britons killed and 30 wounded in the Bevingrad Officers Club bombing
1948, April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters.
1948, April 6 7 British soldiers, including Commanding Officer, killed during an arms raid on Pardes Hanna Army camp.
Between 1937-1948 During 11 years of attacks, Hundreds of Arab civilians, over 20 British officers and over 20 Jewish civilians were killed in total by the Irgun

Jewish terrorists have got what they wanted mostly- An Israeli state. Now they only need to terrorise the people who live there in order to entice them to leave and achieve their ultimate goal that they've been fighting for since the 1940's......

Don't expect to find any hollywood movies showing this stuff though.....
 
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zoomee said:
http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

LIST OF MASSACRES BY Jewish (Zionist) terrorists, FROM 1937-1948

Don't expect to find any hollywood movies showing this stuff though.....
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Source of that essay = From A Concerned American

Where is the balance? Where are the massacres that the other side have committed? Again it is a one sided essay written by someone who has probably got more of an agenda than purely being "concerned".

There have been massacres on both sides so lets not just blame the "zionists"
 
AndyCroft1982 said:
Source of that essay = From A Concerned American

Where is the balance? Where are the massacres that the other side have committed? Again it is a one sided essay written by someone who has probably got more of an agenda than purely being "concerned".

There have been massacres on both sides so lets not just blame the "zionists"
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Does the source of that essay in any way invalidate th details?

In order to provide balance, why don't you list the massacres committed by the Palestinians? Perhaps we might begin with the last few weeks?

I don't suppose you will trouble to make the journey from Darwen to Downing Street in London at midday today which would provide you with an opportunity to listen to people who actually know what they are talking about, for the simple reason that you know it all already - the consistently pro-Israeli media has "educated" you.
 
Andy since Israel has been created they've slowly been taking more and more lands off the palestinians, this IS the crux of the matter.

Eventually there will be no Palestine, this is the Israeli agenda and it looks like they will complete there goal.
 
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