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EVGA retracts PrecisionX 15 download - issues a statement

All evga needed to do was pay the royalties from what i can see. Then they wouldnt have needed re-engineer anything and their customers would have had it, presumably, very quickly indeed. instead what we have ended up with was a ****-poor atempt at rebadging the existing precision software and claiming it was 100% in-house. reports suggested it didnt even work properly and they quickly pulled it after these discoveries.

They had the customers in mind, i think, so ok, but they went completely the wrong way about it. I'm sure in the end they'll come up with something that does the same job, but it seems like a lot of bother to emulate an already existing product (rivatuner). Seems like a waste of resource to me if they could have just licenced the features they wanted, but that's assuming that option was still available to them when started working on precision x 15. bridges may have been burnt by that point.
 
james.miller said:
Absolutely. I'm sure you wouldn't be an arse if people kept demanding you do something when you've already explained it isnt going to happen. No, not you. Never. Takes far more than that for you to throw sensibility out the window, doesn't it?
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He's lucky to have mates like you fighting his battles for him. That singular post was to a new member. Of course that has no reflection on character does it.

Fun times
 
drunkenmaster said:
What on earth are you talking about, the fundamental disagreement here is that EVGA are using Unwinders work, if they stopped using his software and simply made new software, that is fine, that happens all the time. You can't have a contract that prevents a company replacing your software and it's absurd to suggest he had a bad contract.

The issue between Unwinder and EVGA is NOT that they stopped using his software/paying him, it's the fact that they appear to be using his software(or enough of his idea's for it to count as using his software) and not paying him. If so, EVGA are simply breaking the law, doesn't matter what contract you have if someone wants to steal your software and stop paying you. Unless he had the same resources as EVGA to go at them legally then you stand no chance. Billion dollar businesses have gone bankrupt fighting even bigger companies for stealing of IP... Creative outspent is it Aureal(i forget the name). They stole their IP, everyone knew it, but they held up the court case till the company went bankrupt. Once you run out of money you can't win any more because you literally can't fight any more.

Talking about blaming unwinder or having a weak contract.... this isn't a contractual issue.
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If you are so sure of your facts purhaps you could post the lines of code in question.

The only thing I have seen EVGA guilty of is carelessness where they left in references they should have taken out.

So again can someone in the know post the ofending lines of code so that we are all up to speed with this.
 
Wow this has strangely struck a chord with some eh?

Not arsed either way, doesn't everyone always bleat on about competition being healthy and good for the consumer? Yet here we are blasting evga for trying to break away from reliance on unwinder.

If they guy wasn't smart enough to protect his assets then fair play to evga, use it as a base and make it bigger and better.
 
MjFrosty said:
He's lucky to have mates like you fighting his battles for him.
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Well we cant all hate the Russians, can we?

That singular post was to a new member. Of course that has no reflection on character does it.

Fun times
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that post was in response to the user 'Tuk', not the op if that is what you are saying. Yeah I'd be pretty annoyed to if somebody said that, new member or not.

Kaapstad said:
If you are so sure of your facts purhaps you could post the lines of code in question.

The only thing I have seen EVGA guilty of is carelessness where they left in references they should have taken out.

So again can someone in the know post the ofending lines of code so that we are all up to speed with this.
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Dont have lines, do have this:

Hi RagingCain,

No need to apologize at all, I appreciate your investigations and attempts to verify claims from independent point of view. In your second verification you try to compare internals of new PrecisionX.exe with RTSS.exe. You won't find many similarities there because you're comparing overclocking application executable with overlay server executable (basically just a GUI for hook loader). They are supposed to be different. What I referenced to in my claims was original Precision executable file. If you try to compare new PrecisionX.exe with EVGAPrecisionX.exe from previous 4.2.1 version (which is also my copyrighted material), you'll find much more similarities inside. Sadly, localization engine (Help/Localization folder contents, ID maps etc) and string table are close to be 100% equal. Besides that there are many similarities specific to internal application architecture and programming (skin compiler source code format, skin compiler command line switches, even the names of shared memory interfaces and synchronization objects), which let me declare with no doubts that original Precision X 4 application was reverse engineered and EVGA studied and tried to copy its internal architecture and silently taken some binary parts from it "as is". According to some traces most likely it was done in Taiwan EVGA office, and I'd really like to believe that people from American EVGA office I was previously working with were not aware about new project "development" approach. And of course it was not just a trivial recompilation of previously existing source code, as I declared I never provided it to company. Otherwise new PX 15 would just work without problems and without being so slow. So new project is created with reverse engineering and code reconstruction.
Talking about showing EVGA these findings first, I see zero sense in it. Even if this situation will be solved one day, I see absolutely zero chances to continue partnership with the company in any form after this story. I don't need any compensations, I just need to protect my ideas, hard work and name. I know that my work is stolen, the person from the company responsible for that perfectly knows that too, now the community knows it as well. That's enough.
And by the way, I was not going to make any public statements about dirty tricks the company used in PX 15 development. I was going to make EVGA complete surprise and give small panic to new PX 15 "developers" with Afterburner 4.0.0 announce. Anyway, you cannot hide the truth, the story became public from different side.
 
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Kaapstad said:
If you are so sure of your facts purhaps you could post the lines of code in question.

The only thing I have seen EVGA guilty of is carelessness where they left in references they should have taken out.

So again can someone in the know post the ofending lines of code so that we are all up to speed with this.
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Wow, a response like Frosties. Please note in my post where I gave an opinion of who was right or wrong?

I didn't, as before, I was talking about your post and it's bearing on the situation between EVGA and Unwinder. Regardless of what the contract said, what Unwinder is accusing them of is using his code... this would NOT be covered under any contract and EVGA themselves have made no claim to owning any right to any of his code.

So you ARE wrong about it being his fault not having the right contract. This is NOT a contractual issue regardless of what the contract says. EVGA say they had no right to his code, he says they have no right to his code.

He is accusing them of using his code and they are saying they are not using his code, end of, it's not about his contract.

There is one question, are they using his code or not, nothing else. You can talk about contracts all you want but both sides say EVGA have no right to it.

I don't think I have anywhere in this thread commented on who I believe is right with regards to EVGA/Unwinder, I've posted on incorrect things people have said, simple as that.
 
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I've been using MSI AB since the release of BF4 64bit. Only because it allows me to monitor and Precision X didn't. I have no idea what's going on with the EVGA utility but it won't stop me from buying their products.
 
Some of you have really gone down in my estimation. To suggest that it's ok to steal someones work (if true) because he may not be the most pleasant of person or because he was some what careless in protecting his work is disgraceful.

Come on guys i'm a fan of EVGA myself but let's be fair.
 
This thread and the previous has proper had me shaking my head. Does this really hit such a nerve that some of you are so passionate about?

To me, it is a case of MSI AB or Precision X and for the longest time, it has always been AB. To invoke such passion, I assume those who are so vocal have alwats used PX? If so, good morals.
 
Kaapstad said:
I think EVGA have done absolutely the right thing for their customers, they have dumped Unwinder and taken responsibility for the software that their cards use to run.

As to Unwinder he only has himself to blame whether it was a weak contract or the fact at some point EVGA would realise with their resources that they could do a much better job.
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If they had created entirely their own code then great, no problem.

They haven't though, they've nicked some code to make their lives easier and tried to deny they had.

Maybe you need to spend 10 minutes catching up on what we are all talking about?
 
Gregster said:
This thread and the previous has proper had me shaking my head. Does this really hit such a nerve that some of you are so passionate about?

To me, it is a case of MSI AB or Precision X and for the longest time, it has always been AB. To invoke such passion, I assume those who are so vocal have alwats used PX? If so, good morals.
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So it's nothing to do with one guy potentially getting his life's work nicked by a huge company?
 
Is it just me, can someone else clarify so that I don't get named a troll again, but is it namely the people that don't have use for Precision that are being overly negative towards EVGA?

Huge coincidence :)

Fascinating actually.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I forgot that's how software worked, if one person pays for it, everyone else can use it as much as they want without paying.
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Honestly, I will back the guy to the hilt for what he has given the OC community but as far as this goes, I just don't care. He has already stated that PX will be released under a different guise and he has a good amount of backing from the nVidia community. EVGA decided to do what they thought was right but it back fired. The most vocal people I have seen don't use nVida cards and PX is aimed at nVidia users. Regardless of the ethics..... I will leave it there.
 
MjFrosty said:
Is it just me, can someone else clarify so that I don't get named a troll again, but is it namely the people that don't have use for Precision that are being overly negative towards EVGA?

Huge coincidence :)

Fascinating actually.
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It is a forum argument as usual, two sides, that just so happen to have Team A on one side and Team B on the other, what a coincidence. ;)
 
bru said:
You mean like MSI pay for it and we can all use it for free. ;)
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That you fail to understand the difference doesn't surprise me.

bru said:
It is a forum argument as usual, two sides, that just so happen to have Team A on one side and Team B on the other, what a coincidence. ;)
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I think you'll find it's a forum full of people who also program, and know precisely what a **** move it is to stop paying someone but continue to use their software.
 
There's only a few people being overly negative. Saying they'll never buy another EVGA card because of this, for example, is just silly. For everybody else, no, there is no correlation between people using precision and being critical of EVGA. im not sure what it would prove if there was, tbh, other than perhaps users of precision might be more likely to support evga. That's not really an excuse though.

It is a forum argument as usual, two sides, that just so happen to have Team A on one side and Team B on the other, what a coincidence.
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oh back to AMD/nvidia again.
 
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