Today is the day I lost respect for the British police

[Woden]

There should be a national referendum on whether OP is a creep or not. Anything else is the death of democracy. And then? Putin wins.

matdom, the problem here is you started this thread like a 14 year old and most posters can't see beyond that.
I am 100% on your side and I would fight to make sure this was removed when I'd done nothing.
If you leave it what happens if she gets calls again and suspects it's you again and rings the Police, what do they issue then?
Nip this in the bud now.

What happens? The police investigate, and find out where the calls are coming from. This is what the police do. They don't just start punishing people all willy-nilly. We have investigations, trials and the like.

The UK is not a Megacity just yet.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

What happens? The police investigate, and find out where the calls are coming from. This is what the police do. They don't just start punishing people all willy-nilly. We have investigations, trials and the like.

The UK is not a Megacity just yet.

Well they didn't do it the first time, they just gave him a PIN for something he hadn't done.

 

[Destination]

There should be a national referendum on whether OP is a creep or not. Anything else is the death of democracy. And then? Putin wins.



What happens? The police investigate, and find out where the calls are coming from. This is what the police do. They don't just start punishing people all willy-nilly. We have investigations, trials and the like.

The UK is not a Megacity just yet.

The judges investigate well, they just dispense immediate justice.
I'd take Dredd over the European court of human rights any day for efficiency and cost.

 

[andi]

Well they didn't do it the first time, they just gave him a PIN for something he hadn't done.

No investigation is needed for a pin, as it doesn't mean you've done anything. No crime has been alleged.

It's literally a piece of paper that says "Please don't contact this person".

 

[Ilikeitblackplease]

No investigation is needed for a pin, as it doesn't mean you've done anything. No crime has been alleged.

It's literally a piece of paper that says "Please don't contact this person".

its does not mean it but it sure feels like it.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

No investigation is needed for a pin, as it doesn't mean you've done anything. No crime has been alleged.

It's literally a piece of paper that says "Please don't contact this person".

Then why give it out?
What happens the next time you are suspected of doing something with no proof?
I certainly wouldn't be happy if I received one.

 

[Minstadave]

Because if you break it then you clearly make yourself out to be a bell end.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Because if you break it then you clearly make yourself out to be a bell end.

Are you following the thread

You're not going to break it ever because nothing happened in the first place.
I can't see the point of a PIN unless something had been done and there was proof.

 

[Tefal]

So with the wqhole clairs law thing wil lany future partners or neiughbours be flagged about this?

 

[phonemonkey]

Then why give it out?
What happens the next time you are suspected of doing something with no proof?
I certainly wouldn't be happy if I received one.

The answer to this has already been given but it's given out so that if the harassment continues and the police charge the PIN recipient with it the recipient cannot use the 'I didn't know she felt that it was harassment' defence because there's been formal notification that the victim does feel it's harassment. Prior knowledge that ones actions constitute harassment are crucial to the offence.

No admission of guilt is presumed by being given one. I would expect that if the harassment continued then the police would actually investigate. If and only if the police then charged the OP with harassing that specific person would the PIN then actually be 'used against' the OP as the required proof that he knew that what he was doing was harassment. Otherwise it has no affect on the OPs life.

 

[Woden]

Then why give it out?
What happens the next time you are suspected of doing something with no proof?
I certainly wouldn't be happy if I received one.

Nothing, at all. Nothing has happened this time. He has just been told his ex doesn't want him contacting her. If it's not him creeping her out, absolutely nothing will happed ... ever.

If another accusation is made it will be investigated, if it's not him, nothing will come of it. What is the issue here?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

The answer to this has already been given but it's given out so that if the harassment continues and the police charge the PIN recipient with it the recipient cannot use the 'I didn't know she felt that it was harassment' defence because there's been formal notification that the victim does feel it's harassment. Prior knowledge that ones actions constitute harassment are crucial to the offence.

I think you're missing the big picture here.
The Police turn up at your house with a PIN or it comes through the post saying you are suspected of harassing somebody so don't do it again or don't think of doing it even if you didn't do it in the first place.
Are you telling me you wouldn't be a tad upset that you've received this and you haven't done anything?
If there is zero proof then they shouldn't be given out in the first place.

What is the issue here?

See above, I'd be livid and I fail to understand why somebody wouldn't be

 

[Woden]

Would you rather not be told of the allegation?

 

[Sliver]

Love to do this to a copper...

...although I suspect you'd be thrown in a van and stripped searched by ours.

I'm calling fake on this video. He has a bag in his hand, the cop grabs his hands instantly then the bag is gone. Not possible. Fake.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Would you rather not be told of the allegation?

Point taken, yes I would but it would still be unfair that it could end up on a CRB (or whatever it's called now) like the OP said it does and others confirmed.

 

[phonemonkey]

Point taken, yes I would but it would still be unfair that it could end up on a CRB (or whatever it's called now) like the OP said it does and others confirmed.

Remember that with the exception of a few court specified convictions your CRB or Disclosure Scotland will not advise your prospective employer on your suitability for a role. They will simply present the data they have collected for the employer to make their decision and the report is usually done after appointment. I'd be amazed if any employer would dismiss a new member of staff on the basis of a single PIN on their report since A: there is no implication of guilt with a PIN and B: even if the employer saw the PIN as an admission of guilt, a single episode of harassment does not make a person unsuitable for work with children or vulnerable adults, particularly if the new employee is honest with the employer before the report comes back and explains what has happened.

 

[andi]

Then why give it out?
What happens the next time you are suspected of doing something with no proof?
I certainly wouldn't be happy if I received one.

Because some people aren't capable of adult relationships.

It's the equivalent of telling your children to go play separately.

To quote Burnsy:

The purpose of a PIN is not to assign guilt or anything like that, but to make sure that a particular person knows their actions may amount to harassment and that they should cease contact. The offence of harassment has a stipulation that a person knows or should know that their actions amount to harassment. The issuing of a PIN means that this defence of "I didn't know my constant text messaging amounted to harassment" is prevented.

If a crime of harassment is reported in future, then an investigation will be completed, and if there's enough evidence to charge, then the PIN will be included to say to the court "This person was told on xx/xx/xx not to contact the AP. They knew that any contact was unwanted."

 

[cainer]

Today is the day I lost respect for the British police

i lost all respect for them last tuesday morning at around 3am..
they pulled into the McDrive-through infront of me, then spent 5 mins looking at the menu boards before proceeding to the first window to order,
you dont know what McDonalds sell? really?

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

I really don't see why anything should go on your record without proof. Just sounds like lazy policing and them covering their own back if something did happen.

I would also be annoyed if I was being harassed by someone and all the police did was send a PIN order out.

 

[Tefal]

Some events in my life have made me wan to lose all respect for the police but then again I've met some utterly wonderful officers including one who saved my life.


actually from that incident i got a pretty cool scar from the officers actions, everyone who knows how i got it says i should sue him/the police. That is what makes me lose respect for people, dude saved my life (and greatly helped my GF of the time in a later incident) frankly i'd rather recommend him for a commendation for his fantastic attitude under very difficult circumstances. why in gods name would suing come to mind.

Hmmm burnsey (if you search your name for replies this should pop up ) I'm going to guess it's impossible to ever find out the officer and thank him so long after the event? (about a year)