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This is bad for multi GPUs - Intel Core i7-5820K Features Fewer PCI-Express Lanes After All

Kaapstad said:
Max number of PCI Express Lanes = 40

Have intel gone into partnership with NVidia

Selling you less for more and saying it's cool.

If intel can sell the 4820k in the above configuration there is no reason whatsoever why they can not extend this to it's successor.

Isn't technology supposed to go forward not backwards.
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I agree.

And given that the 4930K can be bought for less than £400, I do not see the point of the 5820K. Except if someone is on benching.....

Games still cannot get over 2 cores...... (BF4, Thief excluded).
 
So I was right then *sigh*

5820k is a lame way of making people pay more for the 5930k than they did the 4930k.

A prop up product useless to the true professional.

It would work so well if the 5820k dropped into an 1150 board. But alas, it doesn't, meaning not only is it crippled lane wise but it's also uber expensive to get up and running.

I don't often curse because AMD are not competitive and actually, I won't start now, but this just makes Intel look even worse to me :(

*sighs again*

Edit. Watch out though eh. If you keep saying negative things you'll get pounced on because what you're saying isn't in the interest of company sales.

Kaapstad said:
You are missing the point too

If I buy a HEDT CPU I want performance that is better than older CPUs not worse.
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Exactly my reasoning behind buying a SBE for cheapish and not waiting. Yeah, I'll lose some CPU speed but GPU grunt is far, far more important to me. Had I waited I'd have been gutted to find that I'd have to pay the same price as I paid for my X79 stuff (£350 for the 3970x £220 for the board) only to find I was going to have to sit there watching £1400 worth of GPUs derped because the 5930k was beyond my financial reach.

Panos said:
I agree.

And given that the 4930K can be bought for less than £400, I do not see the point of the 5820K. Except if someone is on benching.....

Games still cannot get over 2 cores...... (BF4, Thief excluded).
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How much faster can HE be than IBE any way? and will it clock as high? (note before I get pounced on I am honestly speculating again. I don't have access to X99 so don't come on here correcting me only without any facts).

Somewhere I have bookmarked an article where a guy compared his 3970x to his 4960x at the same clock speed and there was absolutely nothing in it. In fact, in one test the SBE actually won (kinda weird..).

I just hope reviewers do their job properly and don't just compare it to the 4790k to make the extra cores look good. I wanna see 3930k, 3960x, 3970x and 4930k and 4960x in the mix too.

Tom will probably sort it out.. (not TTL).
 
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Kaapstad said:
Strange things have happened on my X58 system

For example I got much better performance from a GTX 690 @PCI-E 2.0 X16 on X58 than I did on my 3960X system running the card in it's native X16 PCI-E 3.0 configuration. Them i7 9XX CPUs were quality SKUs intel don't seem to make them that good anymore.
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I wasn't aware SBE was PCIE 3.0? That's Ivy and on right?

I've got a 3970x and my Titans are PCIE 2.0. I've also got an 8 core IBE and that's PCIE 3.0 with my 7990.
 
ALXAndy said:
I just hope reviewers do their job properly and don't just compare it to the 4790k to make the extra cores look good. I wanna see 3930k, 3960x, 3970x and 4930k and 4960x in the mix too.

Tom will probably sort it out.. (not TTL).
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Throw in Gainstown as well, when Ivy-EP came out it was sickening that x58 chipset CPU's weren't included in the majority of reviews. Especially that they're still somewhat competitive in workstations.

Two 6core X5690's at 3.46 will still trump the more expensive single Ivy-EP 2.7Ghz 12core in all tasks, bar some instruction specific ones.
 
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Panos said:
I agree.

And given that the 4930K can be bought for less than £400, I do not see the point of the 5820K. Except if someone is on benching.....

Games still cannot get over 2 cores...... (BF4, Thief excluded).
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Exclude WoW too, but just keep 2 games excluded, looks better.
 
Can imagine if Nvidia did something like this, Charlie would be frothing at the mouth. Instead we'll have Charlie, aka Drunkenmaster along soon with a wall of text stating how Intel are evil.
 
28 lanes is perfectly fine for 3 card usage. You can run 8x/8x/8x, much better than the 8x/4x/4x that you would get on the mainstream platform.

If you're going to get 4 cards you might as well pay the $150 or so more for the 5930K.

Next someone is going to claim that mobo manufacturers who do 16x/4x electrical for their pci-e slots are evil for charging more for the 16x/16x or 16x/8x models.
 
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Next someone is going to claim that mobo manufacturers who do 16x/4x electrical for their pci-e slots are evil for charging more for the 16x/16x or 16x/8x models.
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That usually involves them using a chip to enhance correct? that will cost money.

Good boards that are 3-4 way SLI/CFX capable are usually at the expensive end of the price spectrum. I'm not arguing that X99 boards are going to be cheap. My Big Bang Xpower II is simply herculean. It's a 10 slot huge great beast of a board. I paid £220 for it, I thought that was reasonable.

The issue is let's say you spend £250 on a decent X99 board. You then spend, for example, £200 kitting it out with 16gb DDR4. Then you put in a CPU that basically doesn't let the board do what it does to the full potential.

The 5820k apparently is 'cheap'. Thing is, the stuff you need to run the thing isn't cheap.

Fair enough if you're only running one GPU then cool, it won't matter. Thing is, who would spend that much to run one GPU and why? for willy waving rights?

That's an awful lot of money to spend for basically a 4790k with two more cores enabled.

Had it dropped into 1150 Intel could have charged a good £400 for it and I would hazard a guess loads of them would sell.

But as it is all I see it as is a red herring. The 5930k is poised to cost quite a bit more than its predecessor the 4930k. Looking around I see the 4930k is £439? or so. It's been that much since it was launched.

But this time Intel want to charge more for it, so have created the 5820k as a smoke screen. It's already been pretty apparent that any one who could actually use this stuff has come out and said the 5820k is pretty much useless to them and they would need the 5930k.

And that, my friends, is exactly what Intel want them to be thinking.

Only issue is.. You go to buy a 5930k and you realise it's actually far more expensive than it should be.

God only knows what use the 8 core is going to have tbh.

Orangey said:
And while we're at it the 5930K should have 8 cores.
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Absolutely. But sadly Intel are as tight as a gnat's rear end when it comes to cores. They're so tight with them it's unbelievable and if you want them you'll be paying a handsome price.

If they weren't so squeaky software support would be excellent. Sadly they don't care about anything but getting paid.

The fact they're even allowing an 8 core CPU to overclock says it all really. But man alive, you gotta pay the entrance fee.
 
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Orangey said:
Charlie says this is part of Intel's plan to kill the desktop.

Is there even any benefit to this stuff being on-die?
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I understand that these are the top end chips but I would feel someone going three or four cards would grab the 5930K as a minimum in truth.
 
Does the new Mobo's Chipset have any PCI-E Lanes because the future new Z100 (or whatever they call it) is to have them for the 1st time.

I assume if the Broadwell CPU's has same or more PCI-E Lanes than current Haswell then its all good for Multiple GPU's and PCI-E SSD/M.2 etc, better than its been before anyhow.

So surely the Enthusiast End do not get a boot to the balls?
 
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MjFrosty said:
History says yes
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Hmmm..

I'm not so sure on that.

When X58 launched, it was strictly 4c/8t, but all the CPU's were pretty expensive.

Gulftown launched at about 800 quid didn't it at a much later date?

Then X79 launched, and the 4C/8T chip was around ~250, and a 6C/12T thread was ~450. This followed with Ivy-e, but they had a hexcore upper end chip at 800.


This time we've not got a 6C/12T chip at ~300, the ex higher end 800 now costing ~500 (The 5930) with the big one coming in at ~900? (Maybe closer to 800)

I think Skylake-e will make the 6C/12T ~300 quid chip a full fat one, with the ~450 quid chip being a 8C/16T.

I guess it's a matter of opinion though.
 
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