Woman beheaded in London

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Usualy psychopathic people are much more child like in thier reasons for killing.

Think of a child pulling wings of insects or squashing them, they're young and insects are so disconnected from creatures like animals and humans they don't see a problem with it. Psychopaths tend to have that same attitude towards humans they don't understand the difference or why it's wrong.

That's more of a definition of a sociopath, they are indifferent to suffering (ie they simply don't care)
A true psychopath actually enjoys/gets turned on by suffering

Actually, most people with schizophrenia are harmless. It's a common stigma that schizophrenics have to live with. I was diagnosed with schizophrenia back in the 90's. I've spent time in a number of psychiatric wards over the years. I'm stable now because I'm on the appropriate medication. I'm no danger to anyone and neither are almost all schizophrenics.

Paranoid schizophrenia is significantly more dangerous/severe than normal schizophrenia!

 

[Tefal]

I'm not, I understand what psychopathy is. I haven't mixed it in with any emotional problems at all. Are you under the impression that I think psychopath = crazed killer or something?

When I am talking about psychopathy with regards to the way cartels act, it's with regards to the lack of remorse for what they've done, or the lack of empathy that I would expect "allows" them to do such things.

They would be psychopathic tendencies.

Would you say solders are Psychopaths?

Psychopathy doesn't really have degree's it's a physical defect the part of thier brain that governs empathy, and a sense of right and wrong just doesn't work.

For gangs it's no different to most human history they're doing what they need to do to survive they don't do it they die. By their side or the other. They know what they're doing is wrong but can cope with it, a psychopath doesn't understand that it's wrong.

But most Psychopaths are of sub normal intelligence (were talking double digit iq)often quite significantly and are usualy detected young when they start harming animals etc or having violent outbursts and disproportionate response es.

 

[Xordium]

I said again the other day that one of the problems on these forums is that both sides will swear blind they are right when actually although the same words are being used they are being applied in different contexts. What you are all arguing about is is a strict clinical diagnosis of psychopathy vs psychopathic personality traits. Some of you chaps may want to look at the DSM framework and see whether you really know what you are on about. As an observer rather than a participator in this little debate it appears that may not be the case.

 

[mike gunnz]

it's actually a physically malfunctioning part of the brain. unlike emotional conditions which are more common and much less predictable


Also psychopaths are usually detected early because they are often sub normal intelligence and have practically no impulse control.

also it's incredibly rare.

I think it's more you don't understand what psychopathy actually is.

And your mixing it in with all sorts of emotional problems, psychotic problems and many other conditions.

Psychopathy is an incredibly rare condition.

Actually I think it's both of you who have a limited understanding. Where are you getting your information/ideas from?

 

[Tefal]

Thats more of a definition of a sociopath, they are indifferent to suffering (ie they simply don't care)
A true psychopath actually enjoys/gets turned on by suffering




Paranoid schizophrenia is significantly more dangerous/severe than normal schizophrenia!

Sociopath is more a media term it's not actually anything, although it is sometimes used interchangeable with psychopath but it's not a medical definition

 

[mike gunnz]

Would you say solders are Psychopaths?

Psychopathy doesn't really have degree's it's a physical defect the part of thier brain that governs empathy, and a sense of right and wrong just doesn't work.

For gangs it's no different to most human history they're doing what they need to do to survive they don't do it they die. By their side or the other. They know what they're doing is wrong but can cope with it, a psychopath doesn't understand that it's wrong.

But most Psychopaths are of sub normal intelligence (were talking double digit iq)often quite significantly and are usualy detected young when they start harming animals etc or having violent outbursts and disproportionate response es.

 

[Sliver]

Paranoid schizophrenia is significantly more dangerous/severe than normal schizophrenia!

I've lived with paranoid schizophrenia for the last 20 + years. I'm telling you that almost all schizophrenic patients are not a danger to the public.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Obviously there are levels of severity, I'm guessing you don't hear voices in your head to butcher people every time you are out in public or that random people are plotting to kill you??

 

[mike gunnz]

People suffering paranoid schizophrenia are quite often responsible for horrific attacks like this on the public

No, no, no, no and no.

Just no.

Given your username (which I want to assume is ironic) I don't get why you keep posting such misinformed nonsense.

Where is your evidence?

 

[OhEsEcks]

Obviously there are levels of severity, I'm guessing you don't hear voices in your head to butcher people every time you are out in public or that random people are plotting to kill you??

Do you get all your knowledge on mental illness from the daily mail? Because it smells like it.

 

[Sliver]

Obviously there are levels of severity, I'm guessing you don't hear voices in your head to butcher people every time you are out in public ??

I do hear voices. I just try not to act upon them. I've had CBT classes which combined with my medication helps me to get through each day. Like almost all sufferers of schizophrenia, I've learned to control and live with my affliction.

 

[mike gunnz]

...I'm telling you that almost all schizophrenic patients are not a danger to the public.

Can't believe I find myself siding with Silver, but I am on this issue.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

The schizophrenic syndromes are associated with increased rates of violent behaviour. Mental health services have a responsibility to reduce such violence for the sake of their patients as well as the wider community. Most of the violence among those with schizophrenia is perpetrated by members of relatively small subgroups, who probably constitute no more than 10–15% of the patient population. These high-risk subgroups are recognisable in advance. Importantly, however, only a few even in these groups will ever commit serious acts of violence. This mandates risk management strategies that augment care and treatment for the whole group, rather than justifying policies of coercion and incapacitation directed at selected individuals. Violence by people in the high-risk groups is mediated not just by active symptoms but also by such factors as personality vulnerabilities, social dislocation and coexisting substance misuse.

Source: http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/12/4/239.full

 

[OhEsEcks]

Re-read what you've just copy and pasted.

 

[Xordium]

See again this is a load of arguing without actually examining what people are saying:

People suffering paranoid schizophrenia are quite often responsible for horrific attacks like this on the public

To which the response was:

No, no, no, no and no.

Just no.

Where is your evidence?

But this is actually true we quite often do find this. It does not follow that most paranoid schizophrenics will do horrific attacks because we know they do not.

Then we had this one:

Paranoid schizophrenia is significantly more dangerous/severe than normal schizophrenia!

Which was answered by:

I'm telling you that almost all schizophrenic patients are not a danger to the public.

But paranoid schizophrenia is more severe. However, Sliver is totally correct that schizophrenic patients are not a danger really.


Nice to see no-one responded to my last post about the DSM. Kind of expected that.

 

[Sliver]

Can't believe I find myself siding with Silver, but I am on this issue.

I can't believe you got my name wrong.

 

[Amnesia]

I've lived with paranoid schizophrenia for the last 20 + years. I'm telling you that almost all schizophrenic patients are not a danger to the public.

Is this why you're a bit cuckoo ?

serious question.

 

[mike gunnz]

Obviously there are levels of severity, I'm guessing you don't hear voices in your head to butcher people every time you are out in public or that random people are plotting to kill you??

So what if he did hear derogatory voices telling him to do horrible things or experience paranoid delusions? Lots of people with a diagnosis of schizophrenia do.

It's not necessarily the voices, its the meaning you attribute to them, your level of insight and how you manage those voices.

I'm guessing that lots of people who hear voices never share the content of those voices for fear of the stigma.

 

[mattyg]

Actually, most people with schizophrenia are harmless. It's a common stigma that schizophrenics have to live with. I was diagnosed with schizophrenia back in the 90's. I've spent time in a number of psychiatric wards over the years. I'm stable now because I'm on the appropriate medication. I'm no danger to anyone and neither are almost all schizophrenics.

How would people describe you.

We have an uncle who is a paranoid schizophrenic, But he is also obnoxious and rude.
We don't know how much of that is his illness and how much of it is him just being an ass because he's been kind of treated like a child.

The family have let so much slide because "He's ill its not his fault" When chances are thats made things worse.

 

[Sliver]

Is this why you're a bit cuckoo ?

serious question.

I am paranoid. I can't help that side of my personality. I don't think I'm cuckoo though. Having said that, I've done some pretty cuckoo stuff to people over the years. So maybe you're right. I do have a close circle of family and friends who support me and understand my condition. Most of my life's woes tend to come from people who don't understand my condition.